Here we go again... it feel like there's no way to break out of this cycle where companies routinely go unpunished for bad behavior. Facebook, Equifax, Wells Fargo...
"We're sorry!" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=15HTd4Um1m4
Facebook Gave Device Makers Deep Access to Data on Users and Friends
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#12Here we go again... it feel like there's no way to break out of this cycle where companies routinely go unpunished for bad behavior. Facebook, Equifax, Wells Fargo...
China just executes the CEO. Mindless ambition. Mindless consequences.
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#14Here we go again... it feel like there's no way to break out of this cycle where companies routinely go unpunished for bad behavior. Facebook, Equifax, Wells Fargo...
The problem is that "bad behavior" is a concept in flux. Facebook never hid what their business model was: sell your personal data to third parties. Only a few privacy activists were concerned. Others reactions went from "meh" to "it's actually smart!" (Remember when Obama's campaign was praised for its innovative approach profiling voters?).
It took Cambridge Analytica for people to realize that they did not want this.
I have been paranoid about Facebook since day one, but there is something I won't do: blame them for coming up with a business model that is legal and did not seem to concern users ethically either.
The hearings of Zuckberg have been shameful. As much as I love seeing him on the grill, I have more contempt for the lawmakers in front of him, who actually enabled Facebook to become such a monster by either facilitating or simply not understanding what it was doing.
Facebook is a problem, but the ones responsible for this situation are not to be found within the company.
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#15Why this is shocking, or even news?
When you create and use a Facebook account (or when a shadow profile is created for you), Facebook has (and has always had) the right to share anything and everything you publish on their platform with anyone they have a legal responsibility to (e.g., law enforcement) or commercial agreement with (e.g., advertisers).
All Facebook content is essentially public and should be treated as such.
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#16Nothing will change Facebook's behavior except heavy regulation or the threat of a breakup.
And no one should be surprised by this either.
Violating privacy is their business model. As long as it is legal it would be stupid for them to change it.
As a former French banker (now standup comedian) once said: "Hoping to regulate companies by asking nicely is like going to the prostitutes with a flower bouquet"
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#17>The company continued to build new private APIs for device makers through 2014, spreading user data through tens of millions of mobile devices, game consoles, televisions and other systems outside Facebook’s direct control.
So Facebook says "we don't sell data," but they are giving manufacturers access to data in exchange for being integrated/pre-installed on the device. How is that not "selling" data? Just because they aren't receiving cash?
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#18I would love to see someone with an old BlackBerry write up whether this uses a unique endpoint (different from public api) especially to see if it would be possible to 'spoof' a BB device to get the data.
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#19Why this is shocking, or even news? When you create and use a Facebook account (or when a shadow profile is created for you), Facebook has (and has always had ) the right to share anything and everything you publish on their platform with anyone they have a legal responsibility to (e.g., law enforcement) or commercial agreement with (e.g., advertisers). All Facebook content is essentially public and should be treated…
We (society) made the rules, and we can change them. We have the power to make laws dictating how Facebook can use the data, regardless of what the contract says, regardless of their current "obligations", and regardless of how "public" this data might be. We made new laws about medical data -- we can make news laws about social data.
That's what these stories are about -- things we can think about when drafting this new legislation, or interpreting old legislation.
Our system of laws is not set in stone, we can update it, and we will--for better or worse.
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#20they haven't changed. they will not change. why should they change. this is their normal. they are rotten to the core.