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American tech giants are making life tough for startups

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Re: American tech giants are making life tough for startups

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As a hardware engineer who admittedly has a bit of contempt for software types, I can't help but think that maybe software startups just aren't novel enough these days? As noted in the article, software has dramatically lowered the barriers to starting a company, so isn't it inevitable that major companies would exploit the same low barriers (powered by their ability to gather intelligence on the next big thing via t…

It's not discussed in this particular article, but economies of scale certainly favor incumbents in hardware as well. If you need confirmation, go ask Pebble guys how they fared after Apple Watch was launched.

Re: American tech giants are making life tough for startups

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post #10

Another reminder, alongside the apparent Microsoft GitHub acquision, that regulators need to step up and prevent large tech firms from acting anti competitively. From another Economist article ("How to Tame the Tech Titans", https://www.economist.com/leaders/2018/01/18/how-to-tame-the... ): > Two broad changes of thinking would go a long way towards sensibly taming the titans. The first is to make better use of exist…

The problem is that regulators rarely have the farsightedness to see which acquisitions are indeed anti-competitive. And I don't think it's always obvious, especially on the bleeding edge of tech. The farsighted ones are probably part of the acquiring company (or at least acting as consultants to the hiring company).

Definitely. Instead of a regulatory body proactively thinking about practices as anti-competitive, there appears to be a very reactionary approach of punishing large incumbents that pursue m&a out of necessity or approaching anti-competitiveness as partisan politics.

Re: American tech giants are making life tough for startups

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that regulators rarely have the farsightedness to see which acquisitions are indeed anti-competitive. And I don't think it's always obvious, especially on the bleeding edge of tech. The farsighted ones are probably part of the acquiring company (or at least acting as consultants to the hiring company).

Definitely. Instead of a regulatory body proactively thinking about practices as anti-competitive, there appears to be a very reactionary approach of punishing large incumbents that pursue m&a out of necessity or approaching anti-competitiveness as partisan politics.

Yeah, I think regulators realise we have a monopoly brewing once they see people buying Google branded milk from Googlemarts, having driven there in Googlemobiles, using traffic directions from... Google.

Re: American tech giants are making life tough for startups

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post #11

As a hardware engineer who admittedly has a bit of contempt for software types, I can't help but think that maybe software startups just aren't novel enough these days? As noted in the article, software has dramatically lowered the barriers to starting a company, so isn't it inevitable that major companies would exploit the same low barriers (powered by their ability to gather intelligence on the next big thing via t…

It's not discussed in this particular article, but economies of scale certainly favor incumbents in hardware as well. If you need confirmation, go ask Pebble guys how they fared after Apple Watch was launched.

I am not sure you can use one example of a hardware company failing as proof of anything. Just as you couldn't use the success of a software or hardware company proving the opposite, that there isn't a problem.

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post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is that regulators rarely have the farsightedness to see which acquisitions are indeed anti-competitive. And I don't think it's always obvious, especially on the bleeding edge of tech. The farsighted ones are probably part of the acquiring company (or at least acting as consultants to the hiring company).

Definitely. Instead of a regulatory body proactively thinking about practices as anti-competitive, there appears to be a very reactionary approach of punishing large incumbents that pursue m&a out of necessity or approaching anti-competitiveness as partisan politics.

Definitely the political angle in most of these regulatory institutions is frustrating. And money in politics as an extension.

Re: American tech giants are making life tough for startups

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This is also responsible for geographic inequality throughout the country. The large tech companies are based out of Silicon Valley and Seattle. The majority of their employees and economic activity will be in those areas.

That has gradually changed a lot in the last ten years.

A decent house is $150,000 to $200,000 where I'm at. That's 2,000-2,500 sq feet, 0.75 to 2 acres of land. The murder rate here is almost zero, violent crime is very low, and I have access to high speed Internet and normal shopping / consumer goods. I can day trip to multiple major metros. Public housing here is actually nice, safe, clean. The homeless rate is nearly zero. And I spend zero time in traffic.

Put your $50,000 down on the home. Your mortgage payment is now $725 to $750 or so.

Make $6k, $8k, $10k, whatever per month doing Go, Python, JavaScript, etc. remote contracting. Or just take a decent remote job.

Your take home is ~$54k on $85k income contracting, before any deductions. Your bills are $2,500 per month. You can easily pay your house off in seven or eight years.

And that's not a crazy scenario or a high-end outcome in terms of contract work. That's doable for anyone in the top 50% skill wise.

You can pull off that scenario all over the US.

Or make $150,000 in Seattle, and that same house costs $1.2 to $1.5 million. Somehow figure out how to come up with your $325,000 down payment. Now your mortgage is $5,000 per month. Your property tax is over $10,000. Your take home pay is $9k to $9,500 per month. Your house, for just the mortgage and taxes, is going to cost you around ~66% of your take home pay, versus ~16% in my scenario. That house is going to cost $2 million total - minimum - over 30 years of mortgage payments, plus another $300,000+ in tax payments.

I feel pretty bad for engineers making ~$150,000 or less in Seattle or San Francisco. Telecommuting will set you free.

Re: American tech giants are making life tough for startups

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

why contempt?

I assume it is because he thinks engineering involves making physical objects, rather than abstract ones. I am a software guy, and I have heard other hardware guys make similar statements as well. An example is a physical car engine (hardware), vs a video game rendering "engine" (software)

The problem with hardware startups is the patent situation--there's pretty much nothing you can devise that doesn't have defensive patents around it.

Re: American tech giants are making life tough for startups

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This is also responsible for geographic inequality throughout the country. The large tech companies are based out of Silicon Valley and Seattle. The majority of their employees and economic activity will be in those areas.

That has gradually changed a lot in the last ten years. A decent house is $150,000 to $200,000 where I'm at. That's 2,000-2,500 sq feet, 0.75 to 2 acres of land. The murder rate here is almost zero, violent crime is very low, and I have access to high speed Internet and normal shopping / consumer goods. I can day trip to multiple major metros. Public housing here is actually nice, safe, clean. The homeless rate is ne…

I'm in the midwest. I've had zero luck with remote work. Zero. The rest of what you said is spot-on.
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