Interesting discussion related to developing self control in children:
The Marshmallow Test: What Does It Really Measure?
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Re: The Marshmallow Test: What Does It Really Measure?
#232Earlier quoted context omitted.
Marshmallows represent different value for kids with different background. Some can have them every day, for some it's something they only saw other kids eating. It's similar to how it would be easy to risk $50K for somebody with $100M net worth compared to somebody whose net worth is $100K.
In general access to candy every day is something I see more at the low end of the income spectrum and less at the high end.
And thus sugar craving (addiction).
In general only small part of the test is really related to willpower. Friends tried the test on their children once - the marshmallow windfall "if you wait 1hour" just didn't happen [for an unplanned reason] , and thus the ones who took marshmallow right at the beggining won. The same reason why many take earlier smaller retirement.
Re: The Marshmallow Test: What Does It Really Measure?
#233A witty comment on Twitter: The real marshmallow test was to see who could resist pontificating on meaning of the original marshmallow test until a generation passed for it to be properly replicated. And you failed, all of you.
Re: The Marshmallow Test: What Does It Really Measure?
#234How do they control how hungry kids are? This kind of experiments always remember me about this Feynman statement about Young's rat experiment: http://calteches.library.caltech.edu/51/2/CargoCult.htm
Re: The Marshmallow Test: What Does It Really Measure?
#235Oh psychology! What would coastal mags for pseudointellectuals do without you? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Please don't post unsubstantive comments here.
Re: The Marshmallow Test: What Does It Really Measure?
#236Earlier quoted context omitted.
Yes. "America's dirty little secret: 42 million people are suffering from hunger" https://www.cnbc.com/2016/12/13/americas-dirty-little-secret... UK: "Child poverty: Pale and hungry pupils 'fill pockets with school food'" http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/education-43611527 "Germany’s hidden hunger: On the breadline in Europe’s richest country" http://edition.cnn.com/interactive/2017/09/world/germany-foo...
I'm honestly never sure how seriously to take those sorts of statistics. They tend to be based on participation in food programs, which doesn't tell you that much. Deaths due to malnutrition are quite rare now, generally being confined to cases of abuse or niglect, while it used to be a normal cause of death.
Death due to malnutrition would be a rather extreme case. You can be very malnourished without actually dying from it.
Re: The Marshmallow Test: What Does It Really Measure?
#237Earlier quoted context omitted.
>sidewalk coin Rich man would pick it up, that's $720/hour if it takes 5 seconds. It's things like that that make you rich. Poor guy would probably pick it up too unless he's paranoid people will think he's poor. >bus Again looks like huge earnings per hour. He'll take the bus in this example unless he has something very lucrative that he's missing out on, but he's drunk so that's very unlikely. >restaurant Depends o…
You're assuming all rich people are pennypinchers like Warren Buffet. In reality most rich people are rich because they were born into a rich family and had the ideal opportunities to win at life from the start. The fact that in reality you won't see rich people riding buses or picking up coins on the street just shows that it's not about making most money per hour. And in marshmallow test specifically you don't have…
If you define rich as the top 1% than yes it might be from inheritance but studies I've seen say over 80% of millionaires are self-made and didn't grow up wealthy.
Your whole premise is contradicted by the study.
Re: The Marshmallow Test: What Does It Really Measure?
#238Oh psychology! What would coastal mags for pseudointellectuals do without you? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Please don't post unsubstantive comments here.
So expressing that psychology is more of a controversy mill than a science is unsubstantive? Got it!
I will keep that unorthodox opinion to myself until even more of their papers don't replicate.
Re: The Marshmallow Test: What Does It Really Measure?
#239Earlier quoted context omitted.
In general access to candy every day is something I see more at the low end of the income spectrum and less at the high end.
And thus sugar craving (addiction). In general only small part of the test is really related to willpower. Friends tried the test on their children once - the marshmallow windfall "if you wait 1hour" just didn't happen [for an unplanned reason] , and thus the ones who took marshmallow right at the beggining won. The same reason why many take earlier smaller retirement.
> the marshmallow windfall "if you wait 1hour" just didn't happen ... The same reason why many take earlier smaller retirement.
Most people take a smaller retirement because they know they are going to die at some point. I hope that isn't what happened to you friend's children! :)
Re: The Marshmallow Test: What Does It Really Measure?
#240Earlier quoted context omitted.
> The idea that children raised with few resources need help to plan for the long term seems to be rather lost on many politicians these days. The truth is unacceptable to our modern society. We still live in a harsh world where we have to sacrifice some people for the good of the community. Many critical traits like intelligence are largely inherited. Once we focus on the nurture side the three key influencers are g…
This comment is a list of assertions without any base and ties netween each other. Why would we have to sacrifice anybody? How do you define intelligence and how is it biologically inherited? Why would those be the three influencers and not stuff like school, neighbours, family as a whole and public support? Why would feminism have killed fathers at home? Who said gangs are more accepted or that there is even more vi…
> This comment is a list of assertions without any base and ties netween each other.
There are multiple books written about each of them. At least in the context of the US.
> like school
We have tried dozens of ways to try and fix poverty through schools - with overall depressing results.
> neighbours
Also tried with no success.
> family as a whole
The overwhelming evidence suggests even lousy fathers provide better outcomes than the alternatives.
> public support
I'm not sure what you mean? Poor minorities have been supported for decades by various groups/segments of society.
> typically construction industry is under staffed in whole western europe and needs immigrants to work
How well does the construction industry in Western Europe pay? Is it on par with nursing, IT, law, accounting etc?