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Re: Emacs 26 Brings Generators and Threads

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Post by meko »

kiaulen wrote: post #71
anamoulous wrote: post #47

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vscode can only be customized by an extension. There's a bunch of one off plugins you have to install to get little bits of functionality that you can get by pasting 15 lines of elisp from the emacs wiki. If no one has built that extension yet, you have to learn to build one yourself. You could always create private "personal" extension and keep it local, but that workflow is tedious. I'm not saying vscode is less ex…

I'd argue this is a feature more than a bug. I haven't done much with VSC, but I have done a lot with both atom and emacs (via spacemacs). How do you find out even the name of what you are looking for to find it on the wiki? Is that snippet of elisp tested (or even testable?) What does it do exactly? Is it a passive effect, or something you have to execute a command to run? In atom, you can find packages on the websi…

For a newbie you only need to navigate, copy/paste/delete. Then you learn how to manage (multiple) buffers. It took me about a year of regular use to really feel like I could "use" emacs. Full disclosure: emacs fan. Once I started getting used to lisp prompt (M-x) or w.e its like a portal opened up to another level of understanding, realizing that you can write and execute elisp functions from right there in the editor: ex. `replace-string` or `rot13`. it has a great undo system (multiple undo histories) and a effectively unlimited copy paste delete history. search ( C-s ) is also a pleasure to use. Magit is on a whole diff level and offers the most comprehensive and organized git interface I've ever seen shy of CLI git. And all these things are interacted with common controls, so knowing the basics from the beginning of my comment opens up the rest of the fancy stuff relatively quick.

Re: Emacs 26 Brings Generators and Threads

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Post by jhall1468 »

LanceH wrote: post #65
jhall1468 wrote: post #42

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Both Atom and VSCode are multiplatform and can run on any platform emacs can. Hell there's a version of it that runs in-browser. Both have commercial backing and the platform is built ok Chrome. Hard to imagine a world where any of that adds up to ephemeral.

Any platform? Like the terminal on my server?

No, like your browser since it's a GUI? A terminal isn't a platform.

Re: Emacs 26 Brings Generators and Threads

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Post by jhall1468 »

PeCaN wrote: post #92
jhall1468 wrote: post #42

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Both Atom and VSCode are multiplatform and can run on any platform emacs can. Hell there's a version of it that runs in-browser. Both have commercial backing and the platform is built ok Chrome. Hard to imagine a world where any of that adds up to ephemeral.

I'd love to use Atom on a little QNX system, can you tell me where I can find the Atom distribution? It's possible to build Emacs on it.

That's my bad, I should expect stupid responses when I make a stupid statement. Major platform where, you know, it makes sense to have. You'd "love" to have Atom on your realtime OS? For what, exactly?

Re: Emacs 26 Brings Generators and Threads

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Post by varjag »

kqr wrote: post #150
varjag wrote: post #111

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Wouldn't call assembly programming "highly verbose". If anything it's opposite - very little boilerplate, if at all.

Do we have different ideas of what boilerplate is? Almost everything in assembly is boilerplate because there are no advanced, built in features. (Sure, modern x86 assembly is a complex language with many advanced builtins but they are generally meant to express solutions in the x86 domain, not the business domain.)

I stick to traditional definition.

> In computer programming, boilerplate code or boilerplate refers to sections of code that have to be included in many places with little or no alteration.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boilerplate_code

Re: Emacs 26 Brings Generators and Threads

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Post by fredsanford »

oblio wrote: post #129
fredsanford wrote: post #112

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Brief, Multiedit, Codewright, Semware, Slickedit and Epsilon used to keep the lights on at many programming/tech magazines. You don't hear much about them anymore... Clark Maurer still updates Slickedit at least annually though.

You made me curious as I'd never heard of any of these editors... (except for Slickedit, I think) A bit of digging around: Brief seems completely dead, was killed off by Borland. Multiedit seems operational: http://multieditsoftware.com/ It doesn't seem to active, but you can still buy the product. Semware is still technically "alive": http://www.semware.com/ It was last updated in 2005, so there's that :) Slickedit:…

The list from Softletter in the spolsky link kind of illustrated my point. Most of the editors I listed were big sellers until 1997 or so. And most of them are effectively dead with the exception of Slickedit. The reason I switched to vim was the lack of a decent text mode editor for Windows in the early 90s. I'd likely still be using Slickedit otherwise.

Re: Emacs 26 Brings Generators and Threads

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Post by macavity23 »

krylon wrote: post #94
rudolfwinestock wrote: post #32

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The cursor stays in the viewport because, deep down, Emacs still thinks that it's outputting to a 1970s-era ASCII terminal. See this https://www.facebook.com/notes/daniel-colascione/buttery-smo... “Internally, Emacs still belives it’s a text program, and we pretend Xt is a text terminal, and we pretend GTK is an Xt toolkit. It’s a fractal of delusion.” For years, James Gosling, author of the first version of Emacs th…

Regarding Emacs vs. VS Code, it is kind of funny that Emacs was once the canonical big, fat, bloated editor, but it did not grow much bigger since then. So today, Emacs is kind of lightweight: On my work computer, VS Code will easily gobble up half a gigabyte of RAM with only a handful of files open, while Emacs with dozens of buffers consistently stays below 100 MB. Compared to nvi or mg, GNU Emacs is still pretty b…

Vi folks used to make fun of Emacs as ‘Eight Megabytes And Constantly Swapping’!

Re: Emacs 26 Brings Generators and Threads

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Post by FPGAhacker »

harrygeez wrote: post #157
FPGAhacker wrote: post #60

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All jokes aside, is it the ui if vscode that you prefer? I have a hard time nailing it down, but aside from configuration, I do like vscode. I might use it more if we weren’t stuck in an old version of rhel at work.

The dream is to have an Emacs with a modern UI like VSCode

I think your best bet would be to start with vscode and work toward what you like about emacs.

For me, the only thing emacs has going for it are the plugins. If I could get the plugins I use in VSCode I'd never look back. Mainly this comes down to CIDER. But a lot of people have put person-years of work into cider. And it's hard to imagine them embracing vscode.

Rather than porting plugins or making an elisp interpreter, if I were passionate enough about it, I would look for a path to being able to run a bridge (as a vscode plugin) to a headless emacs.

I have no clue how that would be done, but If I chose to believe it was possible, I would try to write an network based API to emacs as an elisp plugin to start, enabling other front ends as neovim does.

Re: Emacs 26 Brings Generators and Threads

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Post by gilnaa »

jhall1468 wrote: post #163
PeCaN wrote: post #92

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I'd love to use Atom on a little QNX system, can you tell me where I can find the Atom distribution? It's possible to build Emacs on it.

That's my bad, I should expect stupid responses when I make a stupid statement. Major platform where, you know, it makes sense to have. You'd "love" to have Atom on your realtime OS? For what, exactly?

I'd bet he'd want to edit text; but I'm no fortune teller.

Re: Emacs 26 Brings Generators and Threads

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Post by jhall1468 »

gilnaa wrote: post #169
jhall1468 wrote: post #162

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No, like your browser since it's a GUI? A terminal isn't a platform.

Not all environments have GUI or need to have it

Never said otherwise. Just assumed my statement would be clear that environments lacking a windowing system wouldn't qualify given GUIs require a windowing system.
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