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4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by qop »

stats-then-now wrote: post #126
qop wrote: post #125

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I don't blame him for not dealing with it, I blame him for not fixing it with the https+captcha the rest of the site got. I find some interesting stuff in the readonly. Fibonacci buttsort is always good, sicp stuff is nice to remember. Idk, it's a nice nostalgia for me.

Fair enough, I can't say I don't wish he kept it. That said given moot's nonexistent proficiency in PHP, he probably had enough things on his plate just keeping the site running, I can't imagine integrating recaptcha in the world4ch codebase would have been very fun..

Sure, but it's also not like he didn't have any opportunity to better himself. Moot never wanted to be leet, but if you're running the world's most popular Internet cesspool, maybe you should push yourself here and there to at least be able to contribute to the code.

I don't envy the challenges of non-technical founders/ceos/managers, but I also don't sympathize with them very much. The Internet is an amazing resource for learning things.

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by dang »

Density wrote: post #129
Brakenshire wrote: post #55

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By any reasonable standards he should have been, the mistake was expecting reasonable standards.

You're so ridiculously out of touch thanks to lefty censorship, Jewish media and echo chambers.

We've banned this account for repeatedly violating the site guidelines.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by phthr »

api wrote: post #56
rarec wrote: post #25

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There are things called containment boards on 4chan for a reason. Seems that they also contain any outside perspective on the site as well. /b/ and /pol/ are particularly egregious, but they're worth suffering to live if it means I can keep /g/ and /tg/. The open format of the site also, while it does contain a lot of posting, does have a curious cross contamination effect. You may learn about an entirely unrelated t…

From what I can see /pol/ in particular is extremely popular and massively influential in the promotion of shockingly vile politics of a sort that until recently I've never encountered anywhere even close to the mainstream. It is my understanding that it was created as a containment board, but it's popularity and relative power has soured me on the whole site. Here's the problem: /pol/ gets so much traffic that I can…

I used to visit /lit/ and /ck/ until a bit more than a year ago. I don't anymore because the /pol/ scum made it their mission to pollute the other boards with their vitriol. I visited those boards a couple of weeks back and /pol/ has basically succeeded in killing those boards' culture. Lots of people have left and you are not one or two threads away from a vile racist comment. /pol/ has basically destroyed 4chan culture in all of the boards and all that's left there now are a bunch of disgusting racists.

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by api »

phthr wrote: post #133
api wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

From what I can see /pol/ in particular is extremely popular and massively influential in the promotion of shockingly vile politics of a sort that until recently I've never encountered anywhere even close to the mainstream. It is my understanding that it was created as a containment board, but it's popularity and relative power has soured me on the whole site. Here's the problem: /pol/ gets so much traffic that I can…

I used to visit /lit/ and /ck/ until a bit more than a year ago. I don't anymore because the /pol/ scum made it their mission to pollute the other boards with their vitriol. I visited those boards a couple of weeks back and /pol/ has basically succeeded in killing those boards' culture. Lots of people have left and you are not one or two threads away from a vile racist comment. /pol/ has basically destroyed 4chan cul…

That was what I observed too. Never been a big user of the site but I used to stop by from time to time. A year or two ago it was brigaded by fascists and now it's dead. Can't stand it for more than 10 seconds.

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by kadenshep »

kadenshep wrote: post #127
matheusmoreira wrote: post #113

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Why do people have to stop it from spreading? If it's so obviously wrong, then nobody will believe it anyway. Why do people need to be protected from "politically incorrect" viewpoints? I believe people aren't lemmings who must be steered towards the "right" ideology. I'd rather be exposed to everything, and I will choose what I want to believe on my own. These reactionary calls to ban speech you don't like just make…

> If it's so obviously wrong, then nobody will believe it anyway. That's not objectively true. You have extremely obvious historical examples at your disposal that completely negate what you just said, assuming you've been exposed to some equivalency of U.S. middle school level world history. To provide some more immediate examples relevant to the rhetoric on /pol/, we face issues with people not vaccinating, believi…

I like how my grandparent comment got flagged. Was it uncomfortable reading actual Nazi talking points HN? You might want to evaluate why that's the case and why you were okay with someone putting the blame on the "journalist's sensibilities."

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by kadenshep »

mikec3010 wrote: post #121
optimuspaul wrote: post #120

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Don't mistake my comment as a call for censorship. It's a call for civility and decency. we can have creativity, originality and free association without hate, bigotry, and racism. Your straw men have no power here.

"A call for".. How do you call for that on an unmoderated platform? Or do you think they should have a mod sit there and curate it for your tastes? Or automated software that keeps everything PC? I'm curious how "calling for " is in any way different than praying?

Yeah I don't think disallowing neo nazi talking points to spread like wildfire is "PC." I think that's just being sane and practical.

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by krapp »

rarec wrote: post #25
deft wrote: post #14

How many of these anti-4chan articles are written by people that regularly use it? I'm guessing zero. 4chan is an interesting site and has better discussion from a broad userbase than reddit or here. Plenty of interesting projects were born out of 4chan, particularly /g/ but the other boards have created valuable things for humans in general, not just internet culture. The positives IMO come from the whole "FREE SPEE…

There are things called containment boards on 4chan for a reason. Seems that they also contain any outside perspective on the site as well. /b/ and /pol/ are particularly egregious, but they're worth suffering to live if it means I can keep /g/ and /tg/. The open format of the site also, while it does contain a lot of posting, does have a curious cross contamination effect. You may learn about an entirely unrelated t…

>There are things called containment boards on 4chan for a reason.

I don't think there actually are, in practice.

How do you have any sort of "containment" on an anonymous forum? There's nothing at all stopping /b/ and /pol/ from stepping into any other board and either playing along or not. The only containment there is a state of mind.

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by dang »

kadenshep wrote: post #135
kadenshep wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it's so obviously wrong, then nobody will believe it anyway. That's not objectively true. You have extremely obvious historical examples at your disposal that completely negate what you just said, assuming you've been exposed to some equivalency of U.S. middle school level world history. To provide some more immediate examples relevant to the rhetoric on /pol/, we face issues with people not vaccinating, believi…

I like how my grandparent comment got flagged. Was it uncomfortable reading actual Nazi talking points HN? You might want to evaluate why that's the case and why you were okay with someone putting the blame on the "journalist's sensibilities."

It probably got flagged because ideological battle is off topic here. Regardless of how right you are, it's not what this site is for, and (worse) destroys what it is for.

The comment you replied to wasn't good, but taking HN even further from its intended use just makes the thread worse, which is why the site guidelines ask you not to do:

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by kadenshep »

dang wrote: post #138
kadenshep wrote: post #135

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I like how my grandparent comment got flagged. Was it uncomfortable reading actual Nazi talking points HN? You might want to evaluate why that's the case and why you were okay with someone putting the blame on the "journalist's sensibilities."

It probably got flagged because ideological battle is off topic here. Regardless of how right you are, it's not what this site is for, and (worse) destroys what it is for. The comment you replied to wasn't good, but taking HN even further from its intended use just makes the thread worse, which is why the site guidelines ask you not to do: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

We dont discuss the merits fuedalism. Why are you condoning the discussion and apology of Nazi talking points in a disingenuous manner on this forum?

The purpose of HN is to discuss topics from a hacker perspective is it not? Which typically has implied characteristics of rationally discussing topics in an honest and forthright manner, no?

Would you consider the calling out of similar dishonest talking points in support of flat Earth theories to be in violation of "idealogical" battle rules.

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by dang »

kadenshep wrote: post #139
dang wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It probably got flagged because ideological battle is off topic here. Regardless of how right you are, it's not what this site is for, and (worse) destroys what it is for. The comment you replied to wasn't good, but taking HN even further from its intended use just makes the thread worse, which is why the site guidelines ask you not to do: https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

We dont discuss the merits fuedalism. Why are you condoning the discussion and apology of Nazi talking points in a disingenuous manner on this forum? The purpose of HN is to discuss topics from a hacker perspective is it not? Which typically has implied characteristics of rationally discussing topics in an honest and forthright manner, no? Would you consider the calling out of similar dishonest talking points in supp…

People often conclude that we're secret sympathizers with their opponents, but since the opponents cover the spectrum, this logic refutes itself. The issue is rather that the online callout/shaming culture leads to degraded discussions and flamewars, as does ideological battle generally, regardless of how right people are or feel.

The purpose of Hacker News is intellectual curiosity, not smiting enemies. I don't need to agree with Nazis or disagree with you to point that out, and you don't need to break the site rules to correct errors or just flag egregious comments. If you like political kung fu fighting, there are other places to do it.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

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