Microsoft and GitHub have held acquisition talks • Hacker News Board

Re: Microsoft and GitHub have held acquisition talks

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Post by yani » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 7:28 AM UTC

bad_user wrote: post #436

amag wrote: post #142

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I lived through the nineties as well, that doesn't mean I think everything that was amazing back then still is amazing today nor that everything that sucked back then still sucks today... I think the Microsoft of today is very different from the Microsoft of the nineties. Personally I'm not so much worried about Microsoft going back to Microsoft'95 but more about the fact that they, like most (all?) other big tech co…

How is Microsoft different exactly? Do they not engage in patents racketeering? Do they not spy on users of Windows 10? > like most (all?) other big tech companies "The other children are doing it" and then you're mother would say "that doesn't make it right". It's a child's defense no doubt. But anyway, it's also factually not true.

I reviewed the data that Microsoft has on me and there is nothing in there that makes me feel uncomfortable. Facebook on the other hand.. not only is the data wrong but if it gets public I can see it damaging me

Re: Microsoft and GitHub have held acquisition talks

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Post by Sylos » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 7:34 AM UTC

emodendroket wrote: post #183

bgorman wrote: post #179

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I have never seen any good .NET code in the wild. A typical story IMO is to come into a workplace where they are trying to dump legacy .NET systems as soon as possible because they are incredibly brittle. .NET seems to be one of the biggest software scams of all time. Great vendor lock-in though. Visual Studio, MS-SQL, LINQ, Entity framework etc... the only solution is to rewrite everything.

I don't know what you're on about. C# is basically a "better Java" so there's no particular reason you can't write good software in it.

That's very subjective. C# has tons of useless keywords that you just know some arrogant dev is going to use because they can, which then no junior can work with. It also has a worse ecosystem for writing server software (while obviously a better ecosystem for writing Windows applications) and is less suitable for cross-platform work.

Re: Microsoft and GitHub have held acquisition talks

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Post by DrBazza » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 7:48 AM UTC

This feels a bit like MS wanting to buy Yahoo, Nokia, and aQuantive. It feels like Github is now resting on its laurels and has peaked.

Re: Microsoft and GitHub have held acquisition talks

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Post by mwj » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 8:04 AM UTC

yani wrote: post #439

AgentK20 wrote: post #6

Really hope these talks fall through and nothing comes of it. Too many bad experiences with Microsoft buying something out, mismanaging it, and it goes down the drain. As much as I love GitHub, I won't be using a Microsoft-owned GitHub for any of my company's work.

GitHub clearly needs change of management. I havent seen much inmovation from them compared to GitLab. Microsoft is very strong on innovation since change of management.

Depends what you like. I prefer my Git hosting suppliers to have better than 50% uptime.

Re: Microsoft and GitHub have held acquisition talks

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Post by spacenick88 » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 8:16 AM UTC

yani wrote: post #439

AgentK20 wrote: post #6

Really hope these talks fall through and nothing comes of it. Too many bad experiences with Microsoft buying something out, mismanaging it, and it goes down the drain. As much as I love GitHub, I won't be using a Microsoft-owned GitHub for any of my company's work.

GitHub clearly needs change of management. I havent seen much inmovation from them compared to GitLab. Microsoft is very strong on innovation since change of management.

I'm not super familiar with GitLab besides self hosted instances. Even then I prefer the simplicity of gogs. So what do you feel are still be innovations GitLab has but GitHub lacks?

Re: Microsoft and GitHub have held acquisition talks

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Post by cryptozeus » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 8:17 AM UTC

AgentK20 wrote: post #6

Really hope these talks fall through and nothing comes of it. Too many bad experiences with Microsoft buying something out, mismanaging it, and it goes down the drain. As much as I love GitHub, I won't be using a Microsoft-owned GitHub for any of my company's work.

This Microsoft is quite different!

Re: Microsoft and GitHub have held acquisition talks

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Post by spacenick88 » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 8:20 AM UTC

giancarlostoro wrote: post #411

throwaway5752 wrote: post #295

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And I was thinking JS/npm, not even golang.

Golang can be the biggest offender in this regard because you import by typing the URL to a github repository... Better hope someone mirrors those projects if they ever go poof. It's not even a generic import to a package[0]. Gotta be fun to have to update all those imports later if a project moves to another host to avoid Microsoft. [0]: https://godoc.org/github.com/lib/pq

Well that's the beauty of git, as long as anyone anywhere has a checkout of the Repository nothing will be lost. If tags are GPG signed you don't even have to put any trust in the surviveing source. That said for mantained code 99.9% of the time you would just use one of the core develops local copies.

Re: Microsoft and GitHub have held acquisition talks

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Post by spacenick88 » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 8:22 AM UTC

dannypgh wrote: post #413

throwaway5752 wrote: post #295

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And I was thinking JS/npm, not even golang.

It's a good thing computers are good at search and replace.

and since the standard library includes a parser for go you don't even need to do it textually

Re: Microsoft and GitHub have held acquisition talks

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Post by earenndil » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 8:25 AM UTC

berbec wrote: post #398

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Office is ad-supported? vscode and typescript are ad-supported? MSSQL is ad-supported?

Hell, Windows is ad-supported now. Ever updated and get your free "gift" of Bubble Witch Saga 2: Electric Boogalo? I would pay double for an enterprise version of Win10 without that crap.

Look up windows LTSB. Don't remember if it gets rid of ads, but you don't have automatic updates every other hour.

Re: Microsoft and GitHub have held acquisition talks

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Post by oaiey » Sat, Jun 02, 2018, 8:38 AM UTC

kakwa_ wrote: post #237

skellera wrote: post #14

Seems like the view here is pretty negative. I feel like most people here haven't worked with Microsoft dev products recently. They're getting better. I guess the crowd here isn't typically in the .NET world.

I don't care if MS is getting better lately. The fact it's getting better is obviously a positive thing, but will it stay that way in the future? no one knows. I like the fact Github is independent of all the big players. I really, really, really hope it stays a neutral ground. Also, if acquired by MS, I'm not that afraid for github itself. However, what is at risk in my opinion is all the integrations around github.…

I am not worried about the ecosystem. See VS Code.