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Re: Apple posts profit of $1.05B, ships nearly 2.3 million Macs

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Post by angstrom »

gruseom wrote: post #8
groovyone wrote: post #2

Franky I can see why. I used Vista for the very first time today at a clients. All I was trying to do was set up some email accounts and I realised that Microsoft had gone crazy during the years of development. I moved from Windows to Mac (and Linux) and don't regret it one bit. Now I've seen Vista I wonder how a company of that size can get something so wrong

Now I've seen Vista I wonder how a company of that size can get something so wrong I have a theory about this: it's the inevitable outcome of Microsoft's technical culture. Their culture - across many products and many years [1] - has been one of making complicated things more complicated. What happened with Vista was that, responding to criticism about security flaws, they set about addressing the problem in their s…

Their culture - across many products and many years - has been one of making complicated things more complicated.

That's just the side effect of the backwards compatibility which proved so successful throughout the 90s, not as a design or marketing goal I assure you.

There's a limit to how backward compatible you can be without stepping on the feet of the applications that came before while still pushing innovative new ideas.

Re: Apple posts profit of $1.05B, ships nearly 2.3 million Macs

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Post by damon »

groovyone wrote: post #2

Franky I can see why. I used Vista for the very first time today at a clients. All I was trying to do was set up some email accounts and I realised that Microsoft had gone crazy during the years of development. I moved from Windows to Mac (and Linux) and don't regret it one bit. Now I've seen Vista I wonder how a company of that size can get something so wrong

"Now I've seen Vista I wonder how a company of that size can get something so wrong"

Perhaps because it's a company of that size.

Re: Apple posts profit of $1.05B, ships nearly 2.3 million Macs

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Post by halo »

xlnt wrote: post #9
aston wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Vista hate is amazing lately. What does setting up email accounts have to do with the underlying OS, again?

on Mac, a reasonably nice email client comes with the OS.

in most Linux distributions, a reasonably nice [insert arbitrary commonly used application] comes with the OS

Re: Apple posts profit of $1.05B, ships nearly 2.3 million Macs

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Post by xlnt »

halo wrote: post #14
xlnt wrote: post #9

Earlier quoted context omitted.

on Mac, a reasonably nice email client comes with the OS.

in most Linux distributions, a reasonably nice [insert arbitrary commonly used application] comes with the OS

why is that a reply to me?

Re: Apple posts profit of $1.05B, ships nearly 2.3 million Macs

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Post by aston »

xlnt wrote: post #15
halo wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

in most Linux distributions, a reasonably nice [insert arbitrary commonly used application] comes with the OS

why is that a reply to me?

I assume because it uses your argument against you.

Re: Apple posts profit of $1.05B, ships nearly 2.3 million Macs

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Post by xlnt »

aston wrote: post #16
xlnt wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why is that a reply to me?

I assume because it uses your argument against you.

umm, i gave a reason that email setup would be relevant to os (i.e., in a vista criticism). i did not say "omg mac is so much better than linux".

Re: Apple posts profit of $1.05B, ships nearly 2.3 million Macs

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Post by aupajo »

damon wrote: post #13
groovyone wrote: post #2

Franky I can see why. I used Vista for the very first time today at a clients. All I was trying to do was set up some email accounts and I realised that Microsoft had gone crazy during the years of development. I moved from Windows to Mac (and Linux) and don't regret it one bit. Now I've seen Vista I wonder how a company of that size can get something so wrong

"Now I've seen Vista I wonder how a company of that size can get something so wrong" Perhaps because it's a company of that size.

Agreed, I've often wondered about the division of labour at MS HQ. Someone told me today that there is a dedicated team of around 50 people just devoted to managing the "Start" button.

A software idea can be built many ways and usually more than one of these will be "right". But the moment you have a group of people with equal control and conflicting "right" ideas, you end up with something quite decidedly "wrong".

Small core development teams, with one visionary produces better, more usable software. For me, I will always take a product that feels easier to use than one overstuffed with obscure features. Hence, I use a Mac as my primary machine (also flit between Debian and occasionally XP).

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Post by aston »

xlnt wrote: post #17
aston wrote: post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I assume because it uses your argument against you.

umm, i gave a reason that email setup would be relevant to os (i.e., in a vista criticism). i did not say "omg mac is so much better than linux".

It wasn't clear whether you were criticizing Vista or responding to my claim that the goodness of default email clients was irrelevant to the evaluation of the OS.

These OS war threads are always overheated and people basically read what they want to read into your comments. Sorry for misunderstanding. I'm pretty done with this.

edit: I will say, though, the post re:linux also could be understood to point out the weakness of your argument in general, and not so much to claim that linux is better than both OS's.

Re: Apple posts profit of $1.05B, ships nearly 2.3 million Macs

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Post by wanorris »

aupajo wrote: post #18
damon wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

"Now I've seen Vista I wonder how a company of that size can get something so wrong" Perhaps because it's a company of that size.

Agreed, I've often wondered about the division of labour at MS HQ. Someone told me today that there is a dedicated team of around 50 people just devoted to managing the "Start" button. A software idea can be built many ways and usually more than one of these will be "right". But the moment you have a group of people with equal control and conflicting "right" ideas, you end up with something quite decidedly "wrong". S…

> there is a dedicated team of around 50 people just devoted to managing the "Start" button.

Worse: it took 43 people just to build the shutdown feature.

http://moishelettvin.blogspot.com/2006/11/windows-shutdown-c...

This article will tell you everything you ever needed to know about why Vista turned out the way it did.

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