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Google Won't Renew Contract for Project Maven, Pentagon Drone AI Imaging Program

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Re: Google Won't Renew Contract for Project Maven, Pentagon Drone AI Imaging Program

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This sends a more powerful message than if the corporation had just avoided the work in the first place. I am hopeful and inspired by the employees stand. Lights are shining through the cracks in the conflict dominated narrative of these times, and we have never had greater means to analyse and resolve our troubles with each other and with our environment. Thankyou Googlers for showing up for resolution.

The government has perpetual rights to the work products generated under this contract. How is that better?

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> the US certainly isn't 100% trustworthy. The US is the most wildly insane, two-faced and upside-down country in the world right now in terms of military. The commander-in-chief routinely makes nuclear threats, actively hurts his own citizens in times of need, and seeks to decrease military stability by accelerating climate change and isolating his country from the world. The commander-in-chief lies about every sing…

Instead of downvoting cryptoz, I encourage people to counter what he said with their own replies. The majority of his statements in this post are verifiable facts. (I do not know this person, fwiw).

There’s a lot of bad political rhetoric and scare mingering that is frankly not even worthy of my time to address. Like, for example, that Trump will eliminate presidential elections and by implication install himself as president for life, or that he even has the authority or capability to do so.

Re: Google Won't Renew Contract for Project Maven, Pentagon Drone AI Imaging Program

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No, the primary difference is that we deploy drones in areas we are not engaged in warfare, and to assassinate various individuals in foreign countries where we are not at war. We could not and would not deploy manned aircraft to do these jobs. We do not deploy F-35s to assassinate people in Pakistan. But we've been deploying drones there since 2004. Note that a key issue here is that the drone strikes aren't even mi…

> No, the primary difference is that we deploy drones in areas we are not engaged in warfare, and to assassinate various individuals in foreign countries where we are not at war. The US hasn't been officialy "at war" in a long time. I think the last one was World War II. > We do not deploy F-35s to assassinate people in Pakistan. Of course not: F-35s are more expensive to operate and I'm not sure they've even attaine…

So you’re not really arguing the point at all. The drone program is an assassination program which is fundamentally different than somemething like the f-35.

Re: Google Won't Renew Contract for Project Maven, Pentagon Drone AI Imaging Program

#94

This sends a more powerful message than if the corporation had just avoided the work in the first place. I am hopeful and inspired by the employees stand. Lights are shining through the cracks in the conflict dominated narrative of these times, and we have never had greater means to analyse and resolve our troubles with each other and with our environment. Thankyou Googlers for showing up for resolution.

No it doesn't. It still gives them between 6 months and 18 months (whenever the contract expires in 2019) to continue working on this project. They may even finish it during that timeframe. This is purely PR fluff.

Its not PR fluff that one of the worlds most prestigious workforces has publicly rejected this kind of work. Money cant buy that quality of publicity, it has come from the hearts and minds of the workforce.

Re: Google Won't Renew Contract for Project Maven, Pentagon Drone AI Imaging Program

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If we reduce everything to being ahead of a potential enemy, then we soon get to a point where the solution of all problems is a single deadly upfront attack. Those technologies aren't for defense; every nation in the world throws loads of money to military expenses -including those countries who have zero chances of being ahead of any other- for a single reason: war is a very profitable business. Everything else is…

> If we reduce everything to being ahead of a potential enemy, then we soon get to a point where the solution of all problems is a single deadly upfront attack. > Those technologies aren't for defense; Have you ever heard of Mutually Assured Destruction? Basically the idea is having "credible deterrent" actually prevents the use of the weapons, because the side that makes a "single deadly upfront attack" will lose al…

Does this apply only to superpowers over a certain level of military strength? Otherwise one could wonder why Mexico or Canada which have no comparable military power to the US hasn't been invaded yet. I agree in principle that mutual assure destruction can be indeed a valid deterrent, though I hardly believe there aren't others in a civilized world.

To me also there's not that much difference between mutual assured destruction and severe damage. Let's say the US has 100 nukes and Russia only 20 (random numbers just to make an example), all of same power, and let's assume that most of them will be neutralized before hitting the targets so that in case of mutual attack Russia would be hit by say 30 nukes and the US by just 4. History 100 years from now would surely regard it as an epic victory for the US, but today anyone ruling over there would have to explain their citizens how on earth they couldn't take a step back and spare millions of lives.

It's probably much simpler than that. The US, Russia, China, North Korea, etc. have zero intentions to go at war with each other, but is in everyone's interest to keep fueling the weapons industry, so they keep playing the plot: citizens are hooked using nationalist arguments to make them supporting their rulers etc. Weapons keep being amassed until the day they become obsolete and can be sold to less rich countries for their smaller wars, new more advanced weapons take their spot and the business continues. It's a win-win scenario for everyone but common people.

Re: Google Won't Renew Contract for Project Maven, Pentagon Drone AI Imaging Program

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No it doesn't. It still gives them between 6 months and 18 months (whenever the contract expires in 2019) to continue working on this project. They may even finish it during that timeframe. This is purely PR fluff.

Its not PR fluff that one of the worlds most prestigious workforces has publicly rejected this kind of work. Money cant buy that quality of publicity, it has come from the hearts and minds of the workforce.

If they had listened, they would pull out immediately. Not sure if you realize that they'll continue working on this for a few more months before they are out...

Re: Google Won't Renew Contract for Project Maven, Pentagon Drone AI Imaging Program

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For most of that time, the US had an adversary that was roughly on par militarily, ahead in some areas and behind in others. The post WWII peace isn’t built on American dominance, it’s built on MAD.

What is the post-Soviet era peace built on?

Still MAD, I think. The nukes are still there and still ready to go.

Re: Google Won't Renew Contract for Project Maven, Pentagon Drone AI Imaging Program

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This sends a more powerful message than if the corporation had just avoided the work in the first place. I am hopeful and inspired by the employees stand. Lights are shining through the cracks in the conflict dominated narrative of these times, and we have never had greater means to analyse and resolve our troubles with each other and with our environment. Thankyou Googlers for showing up for resolution.

No it doesn't. It still gives them between 6 months and 18 months (whenever the contract expires in 2019) to continue working on this project. They may even finish it during that timeframe. This is purely PR fluff.

Agreed. I used to think google wasnt helping develop killer drones. Them deciding that eventually stopping their killer drone project for the military would be better for business doesn't impress me.

Re: Google Won't Renew Contract for Project Maven, Pentagon Drone AI Imaging Program

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This will really hurt their enterprise cloud business. Google has shown to have a bunch of employees who will leak confidential discussions to the press and try to PR damage their employer. If you are a large company looking for a home, that is exactly the kind of environment you want to avoid. In addition, many of the large US companies have a military component. Examples are GE, Boeing, United Technologies. How man…

This must be quite terrifying for Google the corporation, which is now sandwiched between its own employees and its own government.

The story that has been spun this year has been that Google tacitly accepts politics in the workplace. They might come to regret that.

Re: Google Won't Renew Contract for Project Maven, Pentagon Drone AI Imaging Program

#100

This sends a more powerful message than if the corporation had just avoided the work in the first place. I am hopeful and inspired by the employees stand. Lights are shining through the cracks in the conflict dominated narrative of these times, and we have never had greater means to analyse and resolve our troubles with each other and with our environment. Thankyou Googlers for showing up for resolution.

No it doesn't. It still gives them between 6 months and 18 months (whenever the contract expires in 2019) to continue working on this project. They may even finish it during that timeframe. This is purely PR fluff.

Read articles about the leaked emails. They clearly talk about segueing from this project into additional multi-hundred-million-dollar contracts. So yes, it's a huge win if the Pentagon contracts die with Maven.
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