This would be amazing. The main reason I've never used Tor is the fear that it would make me look like I had something to hide (instead of just a general desire for privacy). If it were built into Firefox, I'd probably switch over from Chrome.
Mozilla Project Fusion: Tor Integration into Firefox
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Re: Mozilla Project Fusion: Tor Integration into Firefox
#122Earlier quoted context omitted.
WhatsApp is not perfect and certainly its code not being available for inspection is one of its flaws. However, it did bring security to the masses. I mean I am pretty sure the security it offers is enough for 95% of people. I would not use it for sending documents stolen from NSA, but for the rest of cases - it gets you covered. Security very often need to be balanced with convenience - with WhatsApp you get immense…
You also get encryption while your traffic looks just the same as everybody else’s. You don’t stand out like when you’re using Tor.
> You also get encryption while your traffic looks just the same as everybody else’s. You don’t stand out like when you’re using Tor.
Detecting WhatsApp usage is trivial. With Tor you can use pluggable transports to obfuscate your traffic.
Re: Mozilla Project Fusion: Tor Integration into Firefox
#123Okay but what about maidsafe, dat, ipfs etc. The correct solution is to have firefox expose a 'protocol api' or something along those lines so that any 'alternate internet' project can create a backend extension to make firefox compatible with that protocol.
Re: Mozilla Project Fusion: Tor Integration into Firefox
#124Earlier quoted context omitted.
Good, now if only we could have bitorrent baked in... EDIT: I mean baked in in the browser like tor, not baked in tor. Although interesting, it's really not my priority.
Nope, I wouldn't want to have to keep the browser open all the time just because I'm downloading a torrent.
Chrome extensions [1], and Firefox WebExtensions [2], can have background scripts that can continue running even when the browser window is closed. So in theory, with a p2p filesharing extension, you may not have to keep any browser window open or even minimized.
[1] https://developer.chrome.com/extensions/background_pages
[2] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/Add-ons/WebExtensions/An...
Re: Mozilla Project Fusion: Tor Integration into Firefox
#125Earlier quoted context omitted.
Google. Which uses a really shitty custom captcha for their services.
Google has always been showing captchas when using their search engine for quiet a long time (even for VPN users). In fact they were even straight blocking users from using that very same captcha: https://bugs.torproject.org/23840
I more meant that Google offers a captcha service for others that is quite good, them implemented a really terrible one for the internal services. It truly is awful to deal with. Whoever made it must have been smoking crack or taking large quantities of lsd
Re: Mozilla Project Fusion: Tor Integration into Firefox
#126Earlier quoted context omitted.
Ultimatest super-goal: make anonymity the default stance and socially accepted norm. Do with anonymous browsing what WhatsApp did with E2E encryption. Force big data suckers to invent new business models for exploiting our data without breaching our privacy.
Likely actual result: Firefox will become increasingly irrelevant. If Tor is going to be a built-in feature of Firefox, most employers are going to flag it as malware. This is a ridiculously dumb thing on so many levels -- promote privacy by directing your network traffic to "volunteer" proxy services?
You already don't know what proxies your traffic is going through. Using Tor might increase the odds of a bad actor a bit but end-to-end security is something the web is getting better at right now.
Re: Mozilla Project Fusion: Tor Integration into Firefox
#127This would be amazing. The main reason I've never used Tor is the fear that it would make me look like I had something to hide (instead of just a general desire for privacy). If it were built into Firefox, I'd probably switch over from Chrome.
> The main reason I've never used Tor is the fear that it would make me look like I had something to hide (instead of just a general desire for privacy).
1. You can hide the fact that you're using Tor by using pluggable transports which are already built-in the Tor Browser (such as meek-azure, obfs4, snowflake, ...).
2. That's the biggest reason as to why one must use Tor as much as possible even if they don't care about privacy. More people using Tor = the less interesting it is to be a Tor user.
Re: Mozilla Project Fusion: Tor Integration into Firefox
#128Earlier quoted context omitted.
Is it even worth talking about speed without at least considering client network conditions? A lot of people have poor internet connections, many places world-over are basically mobile-internet only already, shared internet spaces with variable QoS (campuses), etc etc. Most people aren't using engineer-priced laptops/workstations or backed by enterprise-grade routing equipment, after all.
If I understand Tor correctly, last mile connectivity is not a bottleneck.
You are correct. Tor's speed has nothing to do with your local rig or network. Unless you're on an abacus.
Re: Mozilla Project Fusion: Tor Integration into Firefox
#129> Ultimate eventual goal: Make Tor Browser obsolete, so Tor Project can focus on research instead of maintaining a fork of Firefox.
Ultimate goal of the Tor project, that is. Lots of people in this comment thread seem to have not clicked the link and are presuming that this is a Firefox roadmap. The Mozilla analogue of this page only mentions bringing Tor features into Firefox, without stating a goal of obviating the Tor Browser entirely.
Well, Mozilla engineers wouldn't be the ones in charge of, or benefiting from, shutting down the Tor Browser fork, would they? So why would they need to include that kind of (incredibly distant, virtually pie in the sky) goal on their wiki page?
Re: Mozilla Project Fusion: Tor Integration into Firefox
#130Okay but what about maidsafe, dat, ipfs etc. The correct solution is to have firefox expose a 'protocol api' or something along those lines so that any 'alternate internet' project can create a backend extension to make firefox compatible with that protocol.
Seems like some people are working precisely on that.
See for instance:
https://blog.mozilla.org/addons/2018/01/26/extensions-firefo... (CTRL-F Decentralization)