4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager • Hacker News Board

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by aspaceman » Fri, Jun 01, 2018, 5:02 PM UTC

temporaryacc61 wrote: post #100

aspaceman wrote: post #44

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> using 4chan and ignore the crap you don't care about. Can you even imagine using 4chan as a woman or a black man? Like not only in real life do you have to deal with people being racist as hell, but hey here's this forum that's entirely shameless about it too. You seem to believe that folks can just ignore being called the n-word day-in and day-out as if it doesn't really affect them. The only people who can go to…

Where is this idea coming from that black or women are somehow special cases that need to be handled with care [0]? I know the answer is "America", but plenty of people around the world have been killed, enslaved, displaced, humiliated and any number of things. And every one of them, whether they are from Scandinavia or Africa, will get insulted and ignore it or leave. Some of the best memes come from India and they…

> Where is this idea coming from that black or women are somehow special cases that need to be handled with care

All people should be handled with care. It's basic empathy. History gives you context that can assist in empathizing with black people and women.

> plenty of people around the world have been killed, enslaved, displaced, humiliated and any number of things

Part of the reason slavery matters so much in the United States is because there are still vestiges of it in all of our political / social / and cultural lives. It's been a part of the U.S. from the beginning and the country has done a piss-poor job of rectifying the situation.

Your comment lacks any perspective on history which in turn affects how we treat fellow people.

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by Anon1096 » Fri, Jun 01, 2018, 5:03 PM UTC

aspaceman wrote: post #83

ddevault wrote: post #77

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People have a right to be offended and the offender has a right not to care. I certainly don't endorse 4chan culture but it's different from what you think.

What is it that you think "I think" 4chan's culture is? I am saying that 4chan is not a safe place if you are black or most minorities. Period. I don't care what 4chan's culture is because it doesn't matter for the sake of this point.

And what everyone else is saying is that you're wrong. Just like the article writer who thinks they know everything about 4chan without going on it, you presume a lot about the site that just isn't true. Calling names on 4chan isn't really an insult. It's just the way everyone talks to each other. And race or gender isn't really relevant, and you'll get called racial slurs no matter your background.

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by matheusmoreira » Fri, Jun 01, 2018, 5:06 PM UTC

kadenshep wrote: post #34

matheusmoreira wrote: post #29

>Not that you’d want to be there. The most popular boards on 4chan are typically /pol/, a place for what they say is “politically incorrect” (read: racism, misogyny, homophobia) So this is what the article is about. /pol/ offended some journalist's sensibilities. I bet they're laughing at him right now.

Yeah, the author is just totally #triggered. Gay people are an abomination? That's just my opinion bro. Brown people definitely have lower IQ than white people; thems just the facts. Women are objectively inferior in every way but I can't get one because they love to date assholes, and not me, an intelligent nice guy who's definitely sane and well balanced. Stop being such a snowflake and support fuzzy peaches. Becau…

Why do people have to stop it from spreading? If it's so obviously wrong, then nobody will believe it anyway. Why do people need to be protected from "politically incorrect" viewpoints? I believe people aren't lemmings who must be steered towards the "right" ideology. I'd rather be exposed to everything, and I will choose what I want to believe on my own.

These reactionary calls to ban speech you don't like just makes your own position seem weak. Makes it look like you're afraid of what they have to say because it might be right. Nothing is above debate.

For your information, those people are the absolute minority, even in 4chan. Nobody enjoys having their thread derailed due to politics. "Keep /pol/ in /pol/".

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by adamrezich » Fri, Jun 01, 2018, 5:12 PM UTC

aspaceman wrote: post #106

adamrezich wrote: post #99

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Why would anyone posting on an anonymous imageboard be worried about people making negative comments towards them, anonymously? Your fellow anonymous users only know about you what you choose to share in your posts, and unlike reddit or HN, you don't have a persistent identity.

Because it tells you that's what "society" thinks of you. And that will affect your day-to-day life. It affects folks in the same way learning that a lot of folks on Reddit/HN like to Haskell. "Oh hey I didn't know Haskell was so popular"

But "you" are not "you" when you post on an anonymous imageboard. Most boards don't even have poster IDs, so you can't even distinguish individuals with multiple posts in the same thread. You're just seeing a bunch of posts from random people who could even be replying to themselves, and you have no way of knowing, unless you obsessively check the "unique IPs in this thread" number as new posts flow in.

I post on HN with my real name, but you use a pseudonym. Nevertheless, your pseudonym has a posting history and karma number attached to it, so anything you post will "stick with you" in a persistent manner. Discussions somewhat resemble real-life discussion because one can track who's saying what, what everyone's said in the past, and so forth. If I flame you, my post probably gets deleted and I might even get banned, because that's how this community has decided to moderate itself.

Anonymous imageboards like 4chan are wholly different beasts altogether. If I post something foolish here on HN, perhaps talking out of my ass, saying something incorrect, I'd get downvotes and comments telling me why I'm wrong. You might even remember my handle as "that one guy who said the dumb incorrect thing one time" next time you see it. on 4chan, when you make a dumb post and everyone dogpiles on you, calling you out for your idiocy and calling you bad names, you can just close the tab and move on in your life. People aren't attacking YOU, they're attacking Post #418317258, and its author has closed the tab and permanently disassociated himself from it.

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by reitanqild » Fri, Jun 01, 2018, 5:13 PM UTC

boratsagdiyev wrote: post #81

aspaceman wrote: post #44

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> using 4chan and ignore the crap you don't care about. Can you even imagine using 4chan as a woman or a black man? Like not only in real life do you have to deal with people being racist as hell, but hey here's this forum that's entirely shameless about it too. You seem to believe that folks can just ignore being called the n-word day-in and day-out as if it doesn't really affect them. The only people who can go to…

My perspective (21/M/Black Canadian): the people who say we can just ignore it are right. That’s because you pretty much have to learn to deal with it as an avid internet user (even on more ‘vanilla’ sites like YouTube). The part that affects me isn’t the word itself, and I don’t personally feel offended by a stranger using it. It’s just over time when you see so much vitriol directed towards your race even in places…

I don't know but people call each other worse things than that here, even if they are all white. I wont even repeat the things they say.

Do not think that whites are all like those people.

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by matheusmoreira » Fri, Jun 01, 2018, 5:18 PM UTC

bluthru wrote: post #66

_mlxl wrote: post #22

> "The design remains proudly undesigned" I've always thought 4chan was beautifully designed. Its hyperfunctional in a way that wired.com designers will never know because they are too busy injecting ads into every inch of available space.

I wish the comments would nest, even if it's just one level like Stack Exchange.

There are 4chan browser extensions which have this feature.

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by mikec3010 » Fri, Jun 01, 2018, 5:19 PM UTC

0x00000000 wrote: post #39

local_yokel wrote: post #21

Summary: grouchy suburban dad who realizes he isn't cool anymore shakes fist at rebellious neighborhood kids, shouting that they need to grow up. Why is it that whenever a mainstream site like Wired pumps out an article looking down their noses at some "problematic" online community, it's immediately obvious that the author has never been part of said community and instead bases their overly simplistic views on an ho…

Purely optimized for clicks and shares. Also, any amount of perceived approval of something controversial will get a nuclear reaction from Twitter demanding the author's job or going to the advertisers saying "look at this stuff that they are okay with!"

>a nuclear reaction from Twitter

Ironic isn't it? Author can't express a particular view about a website that became popular because it protects people from the consequences of expressing unpopular views.

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by qop » Fri, Jun 01, 2018, 5:19 PM UTC

tomatotomato37 wrote: post #110

qop wrote: post #42

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Who says it isn't mature? Is it immature because it doesn't fit your content expectations? Reminder that after 15 long years of chaos, it still exists. It's a very specific, essentially impenetrable market of 4chan users that can't really be pushed away except by catastrophic mismanagement. The features of the site have stabilized and reacted to user demands over the years, and though good boards (/prog/ :( and other…

>4chan isn't selling your identity to data scientists That's actually questionable now since Hiroshima bought the site. Some weird scripts were added that were heavily obfuscated and killed the CSS if you didn't let them run. Luckily the innate computer paranoia of /g/ meant this was caught and worked around in less than a day, but it's still pretty sleazy. Also Google captcha is needed to post, so there are the stan…

A little ad-tracking here and there isn't necessarily foul play. Sleazy, sure. That's not the same as unfettered, cataclysmic access to tens of millions of users personal lives. I think what makes the Facebook thing so awful too is that people have a rather reasonable expectation that private things remain private, whereas the average 4chan user maintains some degree of privacy by merit of not identifying themselves. If it really came to it and if there was a concerted effort to at least maintain some integrity of the identifiability of what got collected, most 4chan users wouldn't leave the platform if there was a basic ad-tracking layer built. 4chan needs money, they all know that. Sometimes you gotta play the game a little bit, if it was done right, they'd play.

Disclaimer: I'm not a data scientist, so I'm not really an expert here...

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by stats-then-now » Fri, Jun 01, 2018, 5:27 PM UTC

qop wrote: post #92

ihsw2 wrote: post #40

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/g/ still has daily programming threads

I'm aware, thanks! :) Several reasons I don't use /g/: * I don't want to look at images. * I don't want to search for the threads I want, they should all be in one board, that's the whole point. * The fact that /prog/ was killed in the first place when a textboard like it couldn't POSSIBLY be accounting for much bandwidth anyways is proof enough that 4chan wanted to appeal to a wider range of users. I took the hint.…

world4ch had its own culture, but the lack of the Temporary Solution™ made it mostly noise and very very slow outside of spam.

/prog/ was sometimes fun, but I could never really spend much time there before getting bored. There's only so many times you can see SICP snake and fizzbuzz haskell before getting tired of it.

I'm sad the text boards are gone, but looking back after they went read-only I couldn't find much I actually wanted to read again, and I can't really blame moot for not wanting to deal with a slow spam-filled relic any longer.

Re: 4Chan Is Turning 15–And Remains the Internet's Teenager

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Post by optimuspaul » Fri, Jun 01, 2018, 5:29 PM UTC

mikec3010 wrote: post #104

optimuspaul wrote: post #53

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Free speech is great and all, but I prefer to spend my time with people that have the wisdom to keep some thoughts to themselves, or maybe not have the thoughts in the first place. I'll probably never go on 4chan because I don't have the time or desire to have to sort through it all, not just because it is a cesspool of human indecency.

"Some thoughts" == the ones you (or most people) find offensive. So you keep repeating that and raising the censorship bar until nobody is offended anymore. And what you have is a whitewashed, sanitized forum with less creativity, originality, and free association. That's not what everyone wants. Some people want the uncensored version.

Don't mistake my comment as a call for censorship. It's a call for civility and decency. we can have creativity, originality and free association without hate, bigotry, and racism. Your straw men have no power here.