From all the articles I have read about this Telegram seems to offer no evidence to supports its case. Further more it claims its only iOS, and not macOS. And I personally have gotten at least several updates for at least the mac version over the past month.
Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia
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Re: Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia
#42Honestly, I don't understand why there are still details missing from this story. Durov is willing to share that Telegram hasn't been able to ship updates, but not the full reason. Have they been actively rejected (and thus, provided a rejection reason)? Or have Apple just stopped approving their updates silently? If it's the former, I don't know what app store guideline says "well, Telegram is banned in Russia, and…
The certification process tends to only look for things that are Bad for Apple or Google, as almost anyone who's tried getting a big app update certified. Meanwhile, 1000 iterations of shareware calculators that you have to pay $4 to unlock the number 9 are accepted frequently. There's so many clearly crap apps out there that don't get a second look.
> shareware calculators that you have to pay $4 to unlock the number 9
This is probably made up/for comedic effect, but just in case it isn't, do you have a link?
Re: Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia
#43From all the articles I have read about this Telegram seems to offer no evidence to supports its case. Further more it claims its only iOS, and not macOS. And I personally have gotten at least several updates for at least the mac version over the past month.
IF they really are not letting them update I would at least expect a rejection letter from Apple as evidence.
Re: Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia
#44Honestly, I don't understand why there are still details missing from this story. Durov is willing to share that Telegram hasn't been able to ship updates, but not the full reason. Have they been actively rejected (and thus, provided a rejection reason)? Or have Apple just stopped approving their updates silently? If it's the former, I don't know what app store guideline says "well, Telegram is banned in Russia, and…
Perhaps he added more domain fronting? And apple is trying to decide on their position of that technique?
Re: Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia
#45From all the articles I have read about this Telegram seems to offer no evidence to supports its case. Further more it claims its only iOS, and not macOS. And I personally have gotten at least several updates for at least the mac version over the past month.
IF they really are not letting them update I would at least expect a rejection letter from Apple as evidence.
Why? If they make it so obvious of course there will be outrage. What everybody with some brains would actually do is slow down the approval process and really look for all kinds of unimportant small details that the update doesn't fulfill "yet".
Re: Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia
#46I'd given this challenge some thought in the recent past, specifically the challenge that the big app store owners are each generally susceptible to coercion by large nation-state actors in spite of being multinationally distributed. There was a project I was involved in rather heavily (cyph // resulted in a pair of neat conference talks) where we'd accounted for the risks of apps being banned by making the entire ap…
I guess my brain is too small to grok this all in one go but are you saying that
Russia is applying pressure to Apple (what pressure?) that prevents Apple App Stores in all countries from accepting a new update of Telegram
I don't get this - why is Telegram not releasing updates in a UK or Japanese region? What pressure (besides the local russian court system) is being applied here
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In general yes I expect that app stores are the / a weak point in mobile encryption messaging, but it is only at the level of major player threat model. These things are good enough for use against all but a State level actor targeting you specifically (at which point leaving the country is probably good, if tardy, advice)
Re: Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia
#47Honestly, I don't understand why there are still details missing from this story. Durov is willing to share that Telegram hasn't been able to ship updates, but not the full reason. Have they been actively rejected (and thus, provided a rejection reason)? Or have Apple just stopped approving their updates silently? If it's the former, I don't know what app store guideline says "well, Telegram is banned in Russia, and…
I'm sure you understand that Apple can always find some excuse to disable updates for "unrelated" reasons. It's never going to be an honest reason, they can never give political reasoning publicly.
Telegram is right to call them out on it, they should have done it earlier. But I guess they were hoping for Apple to re-enable updates and didn't want to make the gatekeeper look bad.
Re: Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia
#48Earlier quoted context omitted.
All this points to me is the risks of owning a phone whose only way to add apps is to go through one company's own discretion. Unlike in Android where you can easily install apps from other app stores or just download the file.
Android is almost as locked to Google Play as Apple is to the App Store, to the effect that no vendor has made a successful business selling phones without the Play Store. While they've finally fixed it, for years, they used scare tactics to prevent sideloading by insinuating it as a security risk, requiring you allow "less secure apps" in order to sideload. Most applications won't run without Play Services even if y…
I wonder how difficult/useful it would be to create a community-driven package management system, like AUR or nixpkgs. Is there any known attempt?
Re: Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia
#49I'd given this challenge some thought in the recent past, specifically the challenge that the big app store owners are each generally susceptible to coercion by large nation-state actors in spite of being multinationally distributed. There was a project I was involved in rather heavily (cyph // resulted in a pair of neat conference talks) where we'd accounted for the risks of apps being banned by making the entire ap…
I guess my brain is too small to grok this all in one go but are you saying that Russia is applying pressure to Apple (what pressure?) that prevents Apple App Stores in all countries from accepting a new update of Telegram I don't get this - why is Telegram not releasing updates in a UK or Japanese region? What pressure (besides the local russian court system) is being applied here --- In general yes I expect that ap…
We don't have any evidence, apart from Durov's allegations, that Telegram's situation with Apple has anything to do with Russia.
Re: Telegram App Says Apple Is Blocking Updates Over Dispute with Russia
#50Earlier quoted context omitted.
IF they really are not letting them update I would at least expect a rejection letter from Apple as evidence.
Why? If they make it so obvious of course there will be outrage. What everybody with some brains would actually do is slow down the approval process and really look for all kinds of unimportant small details that the update doesn't fulfill "yet".
So why is Signal updating?