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Map: US States Renamed as Countries with Similar GDPs

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Re: Map: US States Renamed as Countries with Similar GDPs

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From the original article and chart (not the current linked site): > "California has a labor force of 19.3 million compared to the labor force in the UK of 33.8 million (World Bank data here). Amazingly, it required a labor force 75% larger (and 14.5 million more people) in the UK to produce the same economic output last year as California! ... Further, California as a separate country would have been the 5th largest…

California is just better at attracting investors.

Re: Map: US States Renamed as Countries with Similar GDPs

#52
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This is the saddest part, America is mighty but that doesn't translate into the life quality of its citizens at all.

How do you figure? I've been to both Iraq and Oklahoma, and I can tell you the quality of life in Oklahoma is a hell of a lot better than Iraq, pre- or post-war, in spite of their similar GDPs.

When looking at quality of life, GDP per capita is your number, not absolute GDP. There are quite a few more Iraqis than Oklahomans.

Re: Map: US States Renamed as Countries with Similar GDPs

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The article lists Russia as the US's "nemesis". "Competitor" or even "enemy" would have been an appropriate designation, but "nemesis" means retribution, justice, or vengeance. Exactly whom is seeking retribution against whom, and for what? Since the birth of the nation, Russia supported the US. It supported its revolution and supported the Union during the civil war. It even sold Alaska to the US. We brokered the en…

I agree with you here. I think the primary divide was based on accumulating power and influence around the world post WW2. The difference in political ideology at that time may have been a convenient front but the real competition was economic. I'm not sure what drives the divide today other than old cold-war memories or just two very powerful countries competing with each other. I suspect there is animosity from the US because Russia won't really do what we want them to. Russia also tends to support causes opposing US interests due to protecting their own interests, balancing of power, and also just to stir the pot a bit.

Re: Map: US States Renamed as Countries with Similar GDPs

#54
post #47

From the original article and chart (not the current linked site): > "California has a labor force of 19.3 million compared to the labor force in the UK of 33.8 million (World Bank data here). Amazingly, it required a labor force 75% larger (and 14.5 million more people) in the UK to produce the same economic output last year as California! ... Further, California as a separate country would have been the 5th largest…

> Amazingly, it required a labor force 75% larger (and 14.5 million more people) in the UK to produce the same economic output Look at it the other way, the UK can house & feed more people with the same economic output, therefore being more efficient at those tasks.

Does that mean the Central African Republic is the most efficient economy on the planet?

Re: Map: US States Renamed as Countries with Similar GDPs

#55

From the original article and chart (not the current linked site): > "California has a labor force of 19.3 million compared to the labor force in the UK of 33.8 million (World Bank data here). Amazingly, it required a labor force 75% larger (and 14.5 million more people) in the UK to produce the same economic output last year as California! ... Further, California as a separate country would have been the 5th largest…

That shows the power of immigration. I'm not even talking about immigration from outside the US, though that's significant too. California has such high GDP per capita because it draws well educated people from the rest of the US. If it was an independent country, it couldn't do that so easily.

Indeed, it illustrates that immigration is a pernicious force that gives rise to extreme inequity, draining talent and skills from less prosperous regions and concentrating them in one area in a destructive cycle.

A most undesirable state of affairs.

Re: Map: US States Renamed as Countries with Similar GDPs

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This is it right here. A safety net(including healthcare, education, retirement) intended for all would be an awesome way to spend all of this money, but instead it gets squandered elsewhere.

Where does it get squandered? 60% of the federal budget goes to retirement and healthcare. That doesn't account for all of the local budgets which almost exclusively target human welfare projects. There are only two stereotypical places I can think of it being "squandered". The first is the military which, who knows, could be NPV if you consider what the world could be like without it. Ultimately its unknowable. The…

Gosh, what would the world be like if our troops and munitions weren't murdering civilians and prolonging conflicts in a monotonically-increasing set of nations around the world? It's not "unknowable"; we just have to start voting...

...haha what was I thinking never mind. Also what does net present value have to do with any of this?

Re: Map: US States Renamed as Countries with Similar GDPs

#57

From the original article and chart (not the current linked site): > "California has a labor force of 19.3 million compared to the labor force in the UK of 33.8 million (World Bank data here). Amazingly, it required a labor force 75% larger (and 14.5 million more people) in the UK to produce the same economic output last year as California! ... Further, California as a separate country would have been the 5th largest…

That shows the power of immigration. I'm not even talking about immigration from outside the US, though that's significant too. California has such high GDP per capita because it draws well educated people from the rest of the US. If it was an independent country, it couldn't do that so easily.

No it doesn't. California is 8th in terms of GDP per capita within the U.S. If you look at the list of states that are within +/- 10% of California's GDP per capita, you've New York and Massachusetts (which are suffering from out-migration), and Colorado, Nebraska, and Minnesota (none of which are major targets of internal or external immigration).

Re: Map: US States Renamed as Countries with Similar GDPs

#58
post #52
post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How do you figure? I've been to both Iraq and Oklahoma, and I can tell you the quality of life in Oklahoma is a hell of a lot better than Iraq, pre- or post-war, in spite of their similar GDPs.

When looking at quality of life, GDP per capita is your number, not absolute GDP. There are quite a few more Iraqis than Oklahomans.

You're absolutely right. Not taking population size into account makes this entire comparison of QOL pointless, not just that between Iraq and Oklahoma. Considering GP is the one that initially made the comparison, I'm curious why you're making this reply to my comment and not hers.

Re: Map: US States Renamed as Countries with Similar GDPs

#59
post #41

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Well I've been to Scandinavia and despite the countries having less GDPs, the quality of life, for the average citizen, is way higher.

As a Swede living in the United States, I can agree that the average person has a higher quality of life in Scandinavia! I don't think it's possible to have that in the States, though; the country doesn't seem meant for it. The Scandinavian model relies on many incompatible tenets that could be mentioned, including but not limited to immigration. The Swedish system is already practically collapsing from its first maj…

The population of Sweden is 10 million vs 325 million for the US. The issues faced by each country are vastly different in scale and policies which work at one scale will not necessarily work at the other. In this context we should be comparing the policies of Sweden to the policies of New York (but even that doesn't really work because of the vastly more diverse population of NY).

Re: Map: US States Renamed as Countries with Similar GDPs

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post #54
post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Amazingly, it required a labor force 75% larger (and 14.5 million more people) in the UK to produce the same economic output Look at it the other way, the UK can house & feed more people with the same economic output, therefore being more efficient at those tasks.

Does that mean the Central African Republic is the most efficient economy on the planet?

Does the Central African Republic have a comparable standard of living to the UK and California?
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