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Re: Veblen goods

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I've never understood the desire to own things like Rolex watches. It's a watch. It tells you what time it is. You can get a pretty durable one that'll last you nearly a lifetime for under $100, especially if you get a digital one since there's no moving parts to break. So why spend $5,000+ on one? I mean, yeah you might want to get something fashionable and shiny, but that doesn't require a $5,000 purchase. I feel t…

> I feel that the only reason to spend $5,000 on a watch is so that you can show off to other people that you can afford to piss away $5,000 on a watch

This is everywhere and unfortunately a somewhat important social dynamic. I mean, what do you really think an MBA is? It's someone who can prove they can not work for two years and throw away $100k+ to party. And Goldman/McKinsey want to hire people who are part of the social class that can do that.

Re: Veblen goods

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I've never understood the desire to own things like Rolex watches. It's a watch. It tells you what time it is. You can get a pretty durable one that'll last you nearly a lifetime for under $100, especially if you get a digital one since there's no moving parts to break. So why spend $5,000+ on one? I mean, yeah you might want to get something fashionable and shiny, but that doesn't require a $5,000 purchase. I feel t…

I own a $25,000 Lange & Söhne. While watches are a time-honored way of signaling, I didn't buy it to show off. I've actually never met anyone who recognized it, and off the top of my head I can't remember ever even getting a compliment on it. I'd never buy a Rolex, because they're too loud :)

Here's the disconnect you're struggling with: you don't value watches. Or more accurately, you don't appreciate them beyond simple utilitarian timekeeping. That's fine, most people don't really care about them. Instead of trying to relate to people who buy expensive watches by valuing watches - which you clearly don't - relate to them through the broader experience of spending a lot of money on a hobby.

Do you have any hobbies you spend "a lot" of money on, perhaps more than what's required just to engage with the hobby? Keep in mind that "a lot" is arbitrary. I have a friend who spends thousands of dollars on card games. I don't see the appeal, but it makes him happy and trading card games can be a fun activity. That hobby "doesn't require" a purchase of the most expensive, collectible versions of various cards, but people do it anyway. I'm pretty sure my friend doesn't do it to signal that he can spend that money :)

The point is this: what's expensive for one person is affordable for another, and what's valuable for one person is frivolous for another. There's not much beyond that. It's all relative - in principle it all comes down to whether or not you spend strictly more than you need to on a thing so you can enjoy it beyond its raw functionality. If you do, then you're no longer treating that thing as a tool, you're treating it as a form of art. Like all forms of art, expensive watches are polarizing and subjective, and they attract a subculture of people who discriminate between things which seem utterly arbitrary to people who don't appreciate them.

Re: Veblen goods

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I've never understood the desire to own things like Rolex watches. It's a watch. It tells you what time it is. You can get a pretty durable one that'll last you nearly a lifetime for under $100, especially if you get a digital one since there's no moving parts to break. So why spend $5,000+ on one? I mean, yeah you might want to get something fashionable and shiny, but that doesn't require a $5,000 purchase. I feel t…

> which is just silly.

The majority of the point is signaling, yes. To determine whether or not it is silly, you need to consider the goals.

A majority of the point of college for a lot of people is also signaling. Is that silly? Again, it depends.

You may dislike comparing an expensive watch to an education, but there are people out there with a lot of money who care a lot more about your ability to look like their wealth-peer than they do about your education.

I'd rather have the education, too, but there are lots of people in the world who don't work that way.

(I have a couple nicer-than-cheap watches. One is due to features, the other is just gorgeous. Neither was anywhere near $5k.)

Re: Veblen goods

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post #12

Sounds related to but subtly different from a https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giffen_good .

One important difference is that Giffen goods probably don't actually exist in the wild given that they depend on a somewhat contrived substitution effect.

Re: Veblen goods

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I've never understood the desire to own things like Rolex watches. It's a watch. It tells you what time it is. You can get a pretty durable one that'll last you nearly a lifetime for under $100, especially if you get a digital one since there's no moving parts to break. So why spend $5,000+ on one? I mean, yeah you might want to get something fashionable and shiny, but that doesn't require a $5,000 purchase. I feel t…

I own a $25,000 Lange & Söhne. While watches are a time-honored way of signaling, I didn't buy it to show off. I've actually never met anyone who recognized it, and off the top of my head I can't remember ever even getting a compliment on it. I'd never buy a Rolex, because they're too loud :) Here's the disconnect you're struggling with: you don't value watches. Or more accurately, you don't appreciate them beyond si…

Yeah, see and that's the thing: I simply cannot even imagine having a hobby that would have me spend thousands of dollars. I would sooner switch hobbies.

I mean, I don't mind if others have such hobbies -- to each their own. As a matter of fact, I have some friends, too, who are into collecting expensive watches. Yet, I still don't get it, just like in the grandparent comment.

Re: Veblen goods

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I've never understood the desire to own things like Rolex watches. It's a watch. It tells you what time it is. You can get a pretty durable one that'll last you nearly a lifetime for under $100, especially if you get a digital one since there's no moving parts to break. So why spend $5,000+ on one? I mean, yeah you might want to get something fashionable and shiny, but that doesn't require a $5,000 purchase. I feel t…

Some people buy a rolex because they want to display their wealth. Others buy a rolex because they love watches, and wish to own a pinnacle of the craft.

I feel like you chose a bad example. Designer handbags for instance, seem to be more geared towards status symbols, although I am sure there are exceptions.

A chris reeve sebenza is an example of an item that is desirable primarily because of it's craftsmanship and only secondarily due to its price. If you own one, the chance of someone else being aware of its value is practically zero.

Re: Veblen goods

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I've never understood the desire to own things like Rolex watches. It's a watch. It tells you what time it is. You can get a pretty durable one that'll last you nearly a lifetime for under $100, especially if you get a digital one since there's no moving parts to break. So why spend $5,000+ on one? I mean, yeah you might want to get something fashionable and shiny, but that doesn't require a $5,000 purchase. I feel t…

It's silly is that wearing $5k+ on your wrist is effective at influencing people.

What's even more silly is your ignoring that fact.

So-called status symbols are actually quite effective at getting people to pay attention to you, which is kind of important if you wish to compel them to do things.

Re: Veblen goods

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post #17

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I own a $25,000 Lange & Söhne. While watches are a time-honored way of signaling, I didn't buy it to show off. I've actually never met anyone who recognized it, and off the top of my head I can't remember ever even getting a compliment on it. I'd never buy a Rolex, because they're too loud :) Here's the disconnect you're struggling with: you don't value watches. Or more accurately, you don't appreciate them beyond si…

Yeah, see and that's the thing: I simply cannot even imagine having a hobby that would have me spend thousands of dollars. I would sooner switch hobbies. I mean, I don't mind if others have such hobbies -- to each their own. As a matter of fact, I have some friends, too, who are into collecting expensive watches. Yet, I still don't get it, just like in the grandparent comment.

> I simply cannot even imagine having a hobby that would have me spend thousands of dollars. I would sooner switch hobbies.

Your imagination needs work. Being on HN, I'd assume that you have at least one hobby that necessitates a significant amount of electronics (gaming console + TV, monitor + PC, laptop). Any one of these (if you actually care about the hobby) will run you thousands of dollars.

You'll probably dodge at this moment and say how necessary or important or utilitarian all those things are, but that's just because you like your hobbies and don't like other people's.

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