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Lobotomizing Gnome

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Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by secure »

DocTomoe wrote: post #10
yani wrote: post #8

It is a bit of controversal article. There is need for 2 applications a terminal and a browser. Why do you need gnome for that?

I'm using i3. I still keep Gnome around, because from time to time I need to hold presentations, and randomly appearing and disappearing monitors (=beamers) is not something i3 deals with gracefully.

Can you be more specific about “not handling it gracefully”? i3 is purely reactive to changes in your monitor configuration. As long as you use xrandr (or arandr, or https://github.com/fd0/grobi, or…) to enable/disable monitors, i3 should move your workspaces around or create workspaces as needed.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by csdreamer7 »

tumdum_ wrote: post #64
csdreamer7 wrote: post #37

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Would you elaborate? I have never had that problem with Ubuntu based distros.

I wish I had that experience. For me update to ubuntu 17.10 broke many things - the most annoying was migration to wayland which brought with it crashes when using multiple monitors via docking station. Arch seems to have the same problems, and in addition few days ago I discovered that my wifi stopped working (that laptop was docked and was using wired connection for last few weeks but had wifi working before). The…

Okay. I assumed you were talking about a simple update itself. Not a system upgrade to 17.10. I know one guy who bragged that he never restarted an Ubuntu laptop in years, just letting it update, suspend and resume, never restarting it. I have had package upgrade issues with Debian Testing and Manjaro (Arch), but never Ubuntu.

Did you disable Wayland? You can easily select X.org on the log in. Or just use 18.04 which went back to X by default.

Also, I think you are being unfair, upgrades on Windows are bad too. You are always recommended to a do a fresh install.

You need to work on describing your actual issues instead of being so vague if you actually want help with things. Like with this:

> Arch seems to have the same problems, and in addition few days ago I discovered that my wifi stopped working (that laptop was docked and was using wired connection for last few weeks but had wifi working before).

I do not know if your wifi gave out on 17.10 or Arch. Arch is it's own bag of worms-for all I know you are running a prerelease kernel on that new Intel NUC that runs poorly on Windows right now due to bad drivers.

Arch breaks a lot on it's own. You shouldn't be using it if you don't intend to fix it. If you want a more user friendly with Arch, try Manjaro.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by cuckcuckspruce »

jake_the_third wrote: post #126
belorn wrote: post #103

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I can say for certain that I have never had a package update interrupting me in the middle of an extremely important moment, and for a very simply reason. I do not update my packages during extremely important moments. I have never had the itch in the middle of a presentation to say "Wait everyone, a update came so lets have you all sit and wait and look while the machine do a 45 minutes update".

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but forced updates have already come to linux: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/disabling-automatic-refresh-for... Even applications you'd expect to be native (apt packages) like `gnome-system-monitor` are included as snaps by default in the desktop version of ubuntu 18.04. All it takes is a someone with sufficient authority to make disabling snaps very difficult.[1] Unfortunately, th…

One of the features of Snaps is that they explicitly automatically update. From the front page of https://snapcraft.io/:

"Automatic updates for everyone"

If you don't want your software to automatically update then don't use a distribution format where the software automatically updates.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by bbeck »

brightball wrote: post #177

Article gave me a strong desire to start managing my desktop with Ansible...

I do this with my computers (laptops, desktops, and servers) and while it does have some drawbacks on the desktop I feel the reproducibility far outweighs them. Whenever a new version of OS X comes out, I just clean install it on my machine, run ansible and then have a working environment back up in under an hour.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by TeMPOraL »

the_af wrote: post #168
hajile wrote: post #164

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It's not so different from writing a Qt app in python. The C code does all the heavy lifting with JS doing the UI bits. That setup is way faster than the DOM because the JS is manipulating native widgets. While that's not as efficient as writing everything in C, it is much faster to write and bugfix and results in more stable and secure code.

I've no problem with javascript being available for desktop development. More power to javascript devs! What I find mind-boggling is that a mostly unstructured, dynamically typed and unsafe language is pushed as the MAIN language for desktop development. Has the world gone bonkers?

Path of least resistance. JS is what you target if you want to maximize the amount of potential contributors.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by Crespyl »

smichel17 wrote: post #117
majewsky wrote: post #100

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echo $(($(date +%Y)+1)) is the year of the Linux desktop. Let's go all the way, shall we?

Now set a cron job to echo that every Jan 1st.

Today is Setting Orange, the 4th day of Confusion in the Year Of the Linux Desktop 3184.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by amiga-workbench »

opencl wrote: post #141
NoGravitas wrote: post #125

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I suspect it is mostly RAM related, not CPU related. My laptop is an older i5 with Intel graphics and 4GB of RAM, and Gnome Shell (on Wayland) uses about 1GB more memory than Sway (a tiling Wayland compositor) does, which makes a big difference with the same applications. But when it's not under RAM pressure, Gnome is perfectly smooth.

I have a brand new i5 laptop with 12GB RAM and the stupid application list opening animation looks like it runs at 10FPS.

You can partially improve it by disabling all of the search integrations and just leave application lookup running. Its not perfect, but it fixes the 10 second wait time after you hammer a search term in.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by Aelius »

PSA: GNOME Software is a frontend to flatpak repositories. It's not a frontend for your package manager.

Since flatpak provides security benefits, instead of removing Gnome software, he should have been removing duplicate packages from his package manager.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by shmerl »

keyle wrote: post #3

I recently switched to Linux (from Windows 10 - forced upgrade took 45' in the middle of an extremely important moment) Debian netinstall + Mate desktop (Gnome 2/3 extension?) I expected to switch back within a week. Surprisingly, I love it. After a few tweaks and Nvidia drivers installed, it's way better than I expected. Super fast, minimal, and no annoyances. Linux desktop really has improved in the last 20 years,…

Switching to AMD GPU will generally improve your desktop experience further (because of upstreamed driver and better integration).

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by amiga-workbench »

magduf wrote: post #171
opencl wrote: post #141

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I have a brand new i5 laptop with 12GB RAM and the stupid application list opening animation looks like it runs at 10FPS.

I see lots of comments like this. What I want to know is: if you have this kind of complaint about Gnome, why do you keep using it? There's a bunch of different desktop environments for Linux. KDE works pretty well, and if that doesn't suit you, I've been finding Xfce is quite speedy for me on my work machine. This isn't like Windows where you're stuck with it if you need that OS for its applications.

Because Gnome is in a league of its own in the UI tastefulness and general UX department.

I like that they are a little opinionated regarding how you use it, in practise that leaves you with a visually tidy and tight desktop environment.

KDE just does not look nice (in my opinion at least), the proportions are weird, menus are too cluttered, it feels like somebody has been throwing widgets at the wall to see what sticks.

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