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Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by opencl »

NoGravitas wrote: post #125
brusch64 wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is not my experience at all. I am using it on my first gneration i3 media center PC and it runs reasonably well. I don't use it for any heavy lifting -I am just starting browsers, running media players and watching videos, but for me it works fine - so well that I don't have any need to check out more lightweight options. It has more problems with the spotify app than with any of the things I am doing with Gnome…

I suspect it is mostly RAM related, not CPU related. My laptop is an older i5 with Intel graphics and 4GB of RAM, and Gnome Shell (on Wayland) uses about 1GB more memory than Sway (a tiling Wayland compositor) does, which makes a big difference with the same applications. But when it's not under RAM pressure, Gnome is perfectly smooth.

I have a brand new i5 laptop with 12GB RAM and the stupid application list opening animation looks like it runs at 10FPS.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by the_af »

JamesMcMinn wrote: post #26

The author wants to remove JavaScript from their desktop and does this by disabling all extensions in the hope that it will also disable Gnomes JavaScript engine. What the author does not appear to understand is that extensions are written in JavaScript because Gnome shell is written in JavaScript. Gnome works very well for my workflow, and I find much of the "bloat" to be quite useful in day to day usage, but can un…

Wow. Gnome Shell is written in javascript? How much of it is javascript? I find this a really odd decision.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by erickj »

NoGravitas wrote: post #124
JamesMcMinn wrote: post #26

The author wants to remove JavaScript from their desktop and does this by disabling all extensions in the hope that it will also disable Gnomes JavaScript engine. What the author does not appear to understand is that extensions are written in JavaScript because Gnome shell is written in JavaScript. Gnome works very well for my workflow, and I find much of the "bloat" to be quite useful in day to day usage, but can un…

I don't think the author fails to understand that, They know that Gnome Shell is written in JavaScript and are not trying to eliminate JS from their desktop -- they are trying to _minimize_ the amount of JS running and thereby limit the scope of the memory leaks.

"... I’m not sure that disabling user extensions actually disables the Javascript engine completely, but it definitely minimizes it to the least possible scope."

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by ComputerGuru »

NoGravitas wrote: post #124
JamesMcMinn wrote: post #26

The author wants to remove JavaScript from their desktop and does this by disabling all extensions in the hope that it will also disable Gnomes JavaScript engine. What the author does not appear to understand is that extensions are written in JavaScript because Gnome shell is written in JavaScript. Gnome works very well for my workflow, and I find much of the "bloat" to be quite useful in day to day usage, but can un…

I don't think the author fails to understand that, They know that Gnome Shell is written in JavaScript and are not trying to eliminate JS from their desktop -- they are trying to _minimize_ the amount of JS running and thereby limit the scope of the memory leaks.

Actually, it does seem the author is unaware of the extent of JS usage in Gnome Shell:

> User extensions are a mechanism that allow users to write GNOME extensions in Javascript, similar to how Chrome and Firefox extensions work. In my opinion this idea has dubious merit, and my personal feeling is the less Javascript in my life the better. I felt somewhat vindicated about this decision during recent coverage of a memory leak in GNOME Shell. The underlying issue was related to the Javascript garbage collector in GNOME Shell not collecting object references in a timely manner. I’m not sure that disabling user extensions actually disables the Javascript engine completely, but it definitely minimizes it to the least possible scope.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by checkyoursudo »

DocTomoe wrote: post #10
yani wrote: post #8

It is a bit of controversal article. There is need for 2 applications a terminal and a browser. Why do you need gnome for that?

I'm using i3. I still keep Gnome around, because from time to time I need to hold presentations, and randomly appearing and disappearing monitors (=beamers) is not something i3 deals with gracefully.

I've been using i3 for years now. For the past few weeks I've been using KDE with i3 as the WM instead of kwin. This mashup is pretty sweet.

E.g., https://www.reddit.com/r/unixporn/comments/64mihc/i3_kde_pla...

(Dis)connecting extra monitors has been automagic without any scripting/xrandr/3rd-party programs. KDE can handle that perfectly, and i3 obeys, so far.

It's pretty neat. And I say this as an i3 lover, not a KDE lover.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by bo1024 »

probably_wrong wrote: post #76
keyle wrote: post #3

I recently switched to Linux (from Windows 10 - forced upgrade took 45' in the middle of an extremely important moment) Debian netinstall + Mate desktop (Gnome 2/3 extension?) I expected to switch back within a week. Surprisingly, I love it. After a few tweaks and Nvidia drivers installed, it's way better than I expected. Super fast, minimal, and no annoyances. Linux desktop really has improved in the last 20 years,…

Long time Mate user here. The "problem" with Mate is that it just works. I interact with Windows and OSX daily, and I have yet to find a feature that makes me thing "I wish my desktop environment could do this". Mate gets out of my way and lets me work. In other words, it's boring. There's nothing new and shiny to be excited about, because it's as good as it gets. I left Gnome 3 because I was tired of visual effects…

I'm a huge fan of MATE and use it with several different Linux distributions.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by digi_owl »

baud147258 wrote: post #132
digi_owl wrote: post #128

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Those really in the know seems to upgrade to a variant that allows them to go into group policy and curb stomp the auto-update. Others achieve the same via registry modifications...

Or you block the download of updates via setting the wi-fi as a metered connection.

Not sure if that trick works any more in recent updates.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by acou_nPlusOne_t »

ourmandave wrote: post #108
keyle wrote: post #3

I recently switched to Linux (from Windows 10 - forced upgrade took 45' in the middle of an extremely important moment) Debian netinstall + Mate desktop (Gnome 2/3 extension?) I expected to switch back within a week. Surprisingly, I love it. After a few tweaks and Nvidia drivers installed, it's way better than I expected. Super fast, minimal, and no annoyances. Linux desktop really has improved in the last 20 years,…

My desktop has been in perpetual update hell for months. Every reboot update hangs immediately on the restart. I have to hard shutdown and then restart. It boots normally, complains the update failed, and re-downloads the giant update files again in the background. Then lets me put it off another 4 days. Thanks MS!

We are so happy, you experienced our fantastic continously integrated customer epxerience that we release carefully untested to our selected users.

To be honest, that windows could degrade that much, without the people running en mass to chrombooks or linux, shows just how far these are away from what people expect from a desktop experience.

They dont want to relearn gui concepts, they do not want to miss theire programs, they do not want to study computer sciences to use theire machines, and they suffer in silence through all this for that. Im sure this is supossed a statement to show how bad windows is, but it truely reveals how pitiful the competition beyond niche-groups is.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by arximboldi »

JamesMcMinn wrote: post #26

The author wants to remove JavaScript from their desktop and does this by disabling all extensions in the hope that it will also disable Gnomes JavaScript engine. What the author does not appear to understand is that extensions are written in JavaScript because Gnome shell is written in JavaScript. Gnome works very well for my workflow, and I find much of the "bloat" to be quite useful in day to day usage, but can un…

I use XMonad but used to have lots of Gnome based services running in the background, in order to have sensible "modern" plug-and-play and easy configurability (e.g. printers, monitor layout, network, etc.) Sadly, as they move more and more things to the Shell, this is becoming a harder task. gnome-control-center which used to be very useful even in my custom setup, is now useless if you don't run a full gnome-session or gnome-shell. My setup has become a Frankenstein of pieces of, xmonad, taffybar, suckless, Xfce4 and Gnome.

But I don't blame them, since I understand that their goal is to provide a sensible and consistent user interface for general users and that I am a total exception :-)

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by luord »

I agree on a lot of things, but not on the extensions, I have about a dozen installed that make my desktop much more organized and snappier to use.

Also don't understand the uninstalling totem part, then again I watch a lot of movies.

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