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Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by teekert »

callahad wrote: post #96
teekert wrote: post #88

Did this guys just completely ignore Plasma (KDE)?? I'd say they are the ones ahead on high DPI and Wayland... Seriously, install it, even on old hardware. Plasma is really fast and stable these days. Also, Mate has no problems with High DPI and given the right theme look beautiful with rounded corners all over the place. Edit: Ok, I may have misread the piece as a critique at first but it's just his way of getting G…

Not the author, but I just tried KDE for two weeks, and coming from Gnome, I couldn't acclimate. I found the Plasma experience unpolished, inconsistent, and prone to error. I also ran into quite a few bugs (at one point, Plasma just stopped giving me window previews when alt-tabbing, and not a single alternative alt-tab style from the built-in installer worked for me). Two examples of things I missed coming from Gnom…

I have the same small issues indeed, Kwin always opens windows super small at first, no client side decorations irks me for some apps. I am slowly falling in love with Mate though, I'm using it on Solus where it has the Ark darker theme by default (the default look on Ubuntu is truly your grandma's desktop, I really don't understand that move) and it's really snappy and functional. I work in it all day (VM on Windows because company requires Windows...)

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by pjmlp »

ahartmetz wrote: post #120
pjmlp wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Toxicity, tooling and commercial ideas regarding IP. In Windows and macOS systems, and even on Google platforms, you go to a conference, there is a wealthy set of talks and discussion forums about UI/UX ideas. We just get to use Sketch, XD, Photoshop, whatever gets the job done to transmit the ideas and how users interact with the platforms. On UNIX world, or what is left of it BSD/Linux, GNOME and KDE designers get…

Not true for KDE. We (the developers) like the UI/UX people. The main criticism from users seems to be that KDE UI isn't polished enough, which is not exactly sending away those who want to improve it.

True, I was speaking about the desktop users, not GNOME and KDE developers.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by c3833174 »

Zardoz84 wrote: post #104

Meanwhile on KDE I can change all my configuration to my personal tastes without needing to edit a single text file or doing obscure and magic things with third party tools.

That's not always a good thing, everytime I've tried a post-plasma KDE version I've always ended up spending too much time regularly tweaking the whole setup.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by NoGravitas »

JamesMcMinn wrote: post #26

The author wants to remove JavaScript from their desktop and does this by disabling all extensions in the hope that it will also disable Gnomes JavaScript engine. What the author does not appear to understand is that extensions are written in JavaScript because Gnome shell is written in JavaScript. Gnome works very well for my workflow, and I find much of the "bloat" to be quite useful in day to day usage, but can un…

I don't think the author fails to understand that, They know that Gnome Shell is written in JavaScript and are not trying to eliminate JS from their desktop -- they are trying to _minimize_ the amount of JS running and thereby limit the scope of the memory leaks.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by NoGravitas »

brusch64 wrote: post #79
amiga-workbench wrote: post #40

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I don't think Gnome is bloated from a feature sense (they keep removing features in fact) its just horrifically bloated from an efficiency sense, it could be orders of magnitude faster than it currently is. It chugs and judders on a first gen i5!

This is not my experience at all. I am using it on my first gneration i3 media center PC and it runs reasonably well. I don't use it for any heavy lifting -I am just starting browsers, running media players and watching videos, but for me it works fine - so well that I don't have any need to check out more lightweight options. It has more problems with the spotify app than with any of the things I am doing with Gnome…

I suspect it is mostly RAM related, not CPU related. My laptop is an older i5 with Intel graphics and 4GB of RAM, and Gnome Shell (on Wayland) uses about 1GB more memory than Sway (a tiling Wayland compositor) does, which makes a big difference with the same applications. But when it's not under RAM pressure, Gnome is perfectly smooth.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by jake_the_third »

belorn wrote: post #103
tumdum_ wrote: post #17

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Wait ~6 months, and you will encounter a case where simple package update will cost you more than that 45 minutes ;)

I can say for certain that I have never had a package update interrupting me in the middle of an extremely important moment, and for a very simply reason. I do not update my packages during extremely important moments. I have never had the itch in the middle of a presentation to say "Wait everyone, a update came so lets have you all sit and wait and look while the machine do a 45 minutes update".

I hate to be the bearer of bad news, but forced updates have already come to linux: https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/disabling-automatic-refresh-for...

Even applications you'd expect to be native (apt packages) like `gnome-system-monitor` are included as snaps by default in the desktop version of ubuntu 18.04. All it takes is a someone with sufficient authority to make disabling snaps very difficult.[1]

Unfortunately, there are plenty of lunatics on both sides of the fence who think they should have the final say in what you can do with your computer and when you can do it.

[1] E.g gnome developers decided to change the default behavior of the power button, then decided that users shouldn't be allowed to change this behavior: https://bugzilla.gnome.org/show_bug.cgi?id=755953

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by ufo »

callahad wrote: post #96
teekert wrote: post #88

Did this guys just completely ignore Plasma (KDE)?? I'd say they are the ones ahead on high DPI and Wayland... Seriously, install it, even on old hardware. Plasma is really fast and stable these days. Also, Mate has no problems with High DPI and given the right theme look beautiful with rounded corners all over the place. Edit: Ok, I may have misread the piece as a critique at first but it's just his way of getting G…

Not the author, but I just tried KDE for two weeks, and coming from Gnome, I couldn't acclimate. I found the Plasma experience unpolished, inconsistent, and prone to error. I also ran into quite a few bugs (at one point, Plasma just stopped giving me window previews when alt-tabbing, and not a single alternative alt-tab style from the built-in installer worked for me). Two examples of things I missed coming from Gnom…

IIRC on kde you can also resize windows with alt + right click, without needing to hit exactly the border. (Or maybe its middle click I don't remember. ) this is similar to alt + left click to drag a window without clicking the title bar.

On gnome you can use Super + middle click to resize things and super + left click to drag them

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by digi_owl »

superflyguy wrote: post #70
baud147258 wrote: post #54

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> I thought Windows reboots were supposed to get less over the years It's funny, I can't remember last time I had a forced reboot, either at work or at home, both on Windows 10. On the other hand, I'm shutting down my PC regularly

Perhaps you're right and you just have to keep shutting your laptop down and booting up from cold to prevent Windows problems.. sorry, updates from happening at the wrong time. I watched a three hour stream of a professional chess player and youtuber and at the start he's saying "...oh, and I just updated my Windows laptop a few days ago so hopefully it won't start to slow down or apply an update while I'm playing".…

Those really in the know seems to upgrade to a variant that allows them to go into group policy and curb stomp the auto-update.

Others achieve the same via registry modifications...

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by ricree »

brusch64 wrote: post #80
probably_wrong wrote: post #76

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Long time Mate user here. The "problem" with Mate is that it just works. I interact with Windows and OSX daily, and I have yet to find a feature that makes me thing "I wish my desktop environment could do this". Mate gets out of my way and lets me work. In other words, it's boring. There's nothing new and shiny to be excited about, because it's as good as it gets. I left Gnome 3 because I was tired of visual effects…

I have no experience with Mate, but the feature I miss the most in the traditional desktops is starting programs by hitting the super (Windows) key and typing the programs. I know that you can use Alt+F2 for this, but using super is much more ingrained for me since I've seen Windows Vista (I am using Linux at home and Windows systems at work)

Linux Mint with Mate does this fairly well by default.

Re: Lobotomizing Gnome

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Post by Maken »

brusch64 wrote: post #80
probably_wrong wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Long time Mate user here. The "problem" with Mate is that it just works. I interact with Windows and OSX daily, and I have yet to find a feature that makes me thing "I wish my desktop environment could do this". Mate gets out of my way and lets me work. In other words, it's boring. There's nothing new and shiny to be excited about, because it's as good as it gets. I left Gnome 3 because I was tired of visual effects…

I have no experience with Mate, but the feature I miss the most in the traditional desktops is starting programs by hitting the super (Windows) key and typing the programs. I know that you can use Alt+F2 for this, but using super is much more ingrained for me since I've seen Windows Vista (I am using Linux at home and Windows systems at work)

>hitting the super (Windows) key and typing the programs

That's how Unity (Ubuntu's default DE) worked, until they transitioned to GNOME.

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