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I wrote a negative Yelp review and it made my life a nightmare

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Re: I wrote a negative Yelp review and it made my life a nightmare

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post #173

Isn't a negative Yelp review protected by Freedom of speech? Inspite of that the lady had spent a fortune defending herself.

She isn't being sued for a negative Yelp review. She's being sued for alleged libel in the form of a negative Yelp review.

Re: I wrote a negative Yelp review and it made my life a nightmare

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post #117

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Yelp exists only because people trust it.

I've only found yelp to be trust worthy in some cities, not universally.

I've found yelp to be completely untrustworthy, in every city, everywhere. What people think in the aggregate and what some individuals think are very different things.

Re: I wrote a negative Yelp review and it made my life a nightmare

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post #117

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Yelp exists only because people trust it.

Given how many times "Google is evil because it destroyed Yelp (not because Yelp is a trainwreck)" headlines cross the HN front page, arguably, no one trusts Yelp.

Hackers News titles are not a reflection of the society at large.

Re: I wrote a negative Yelp review and it made my life a nightmare

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And another question: why is the market failing here?

One (modest) force that coerces the market: you nearly always must attend law school. Unlike Lincoln, John Adams, Marshall, et al, you have to get a degree from a law school in order to become an attorney. Apprenticeship is peanuts compared to getting a degree (provided you can find a sponsor). There's a handful of US states that still permit apprenticeship, but most do not.

Ok, then why is law school so expensive? It seems to me that classes could be offered online without practical problems, and exams could be organized on a national level.

Re: I wrote a negative Yelp review and it made my life a nightmare

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If you get lucky you get that. Hospital around where I was (Indiana) rarely did such things. My uncle owed over 250k for emergency heart surgery. That was the discounted price, "as low as they could go". Dude only made around 30k per year... doing flooring, which could now kill him. Even if he could go back to his work, he had been off work for a couple months. The hospital's "reasonable payments" exceeded his income…

What may work (if he has credit and can cover the lowered amount) is "I can borrow enough to cover the Medicare rate for this and pay it now if that will cover it in full. If that won't cover it then I'm not going to borrow from friends and family when I'll still be paying you and never be able to pay them back."

In his case, that wasn't as likely. Construction work, including flooring, often has slumps and that makes loans more difficult to get. Not to mention the fact that he could buy 2-3 houses for the price of the medical bill (Indiana is cheap) .... and his credit wasn't great even though he didn't carry much debt.

His way out was bankruptcy.

Re: I wrote a negative Yelp review and it made my life a nightmare

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post #237

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> Leave a single note, "We're sorry this patient wasn't satisfied with our service, and have refunded all fees. Since most of our patients are happy, we rarely need to do this." [0] Actually even that note is too confrontational She accused him of committing felonious fraud; seeing the doctor respond by giving her her money back and saying "most people don't have a problem" would not cast that doctor in a good light…

Let's stipulate that there is nothing the physician could say in response to a fraud accusation that would cause you personally to doubt that accusation. That seems a novel combination of the judgmental and the credulous, but life takes all sorts. It would still be better for the physician, for you to have this reaction while reading Yelp than for hundreds of thousands of newspaper readers to be reading TFA.

The longterm difference seems pretty minimal to me: they google his name and see reviews accusing him of fraud or they google his name and see tabloid articles about this story that say the same thing the reviews did, but add that the person making the accusations was sued for libel, alongside followup reports that the court decided the woman was lying. In the second case, the bad reports jump out more, but they're accompanied with notes that a court decided they were false, whereas with your Yelp responses the doctor wasn't even denying them. I don't think your approach is obviously better for the doctor when someone's looking up reviews of him in 5 years.

Re: I wrote a negative Yelp review and it made my life a nightmare

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post #215

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How can you claim to understand them when you're posting their oppositions propaganda instead of their own arguments? That's like starting a conversation by referring to a pro-choicer as a pro-death... even if you have great arguments against the choice of abortion it's not going to lead to a productive conversation. As a sibling poster to you said, the ridiculous pricing is part of a game between insurers and care p…

Obviously throwing money at insurers isn't the solution. We've been doing that for decades. Other countries have already figured out how to provide healthcare for their citizens. America can too if people stop opposing it. Instead, we have movement in the other direction because a lot of people hate others so much they do not want them to have healthcare. That viewpoint is inexcusable in my opinion. Also, your first…

Do you realize that Obamacare is based on throwing more money at insurers - and furthermore wanted to legally require that every American throw a share of money at a for-profit insurer?

Is everyone against that really a "person that hates others so much"?

Re: I wrote a negative Yelp review and it made my life a nightmare

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post #62

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> am dumbstruck that people are cool with it. Huge numbers, perhaps a majority, are not cool with it. We've had national elections fueled by the discontent. But at least so far the political configuration of that discontent, not the magnitude of it, has prevented progress on lowering the cost of health care.

But at least so far the political configuration of that discontent, not the magnitude of it, has prevented progress on lowering the cost of health care. Health insurance in this country suffers from kind of a legacy situation. It is sort of like how the qwerty keyboard is terribly inefficient, but most people continue to use it. From what I have read, at some point health insurance was offered as a means to beef up c…

Absolutely correct.

Re: I wrote a negative Yelp review and it made my life a nightmare

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post #215

Earlier quoted context omitted.

How can you claim to understand them when you're posting their oppositions propaganda instead of their own arguments? That's like starting a conversation by referring to a pro-choicer as a pro-death... even if you have great arguments against the choice of abortion it's not going to lead to a productive conversation. As a sibling poster to you said, the ridiculous pricing is part of a game between insurers and care p…

Obviously throwing money at insurers isn't the solution. We've been doing that for decades. Other countries have already figured out how to provide healthcare for their citizens. America can too if people stop opposing it. Instead, we have movement in the other direction because a lot of people hate others so much they do not want them to have healthcare. That viewpoint is inexcusable in my opinion. Also, your first…

> Obviously throwing money at insurers isn't the solution

> we have movement in the other direction because a lot of people hate others so much they do not want them to have healthcare

Last I checked nobody was opposing healthcare discussion and debate, so the "opposing" you're talking about appears to be in reference to Obamacare. Obamacare allowing healthcare providers and insurance companies to game the system more than ever before, by providing the backing of government coffers.

One either throws money at something that "obviously won't solve the problem"[0] or one "hates people to the degree that one does not want people to have healthcare"[0].

> That viewpoint is inexcusable in my opinion

What was that you were saying about inexcusable viewpoints?

[0] Paraphrased, but sentiment remains the same.

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