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Post by redial »

admyral wrote: post #215
AceJohnny2 wrote: post #14

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Blame Elon Musk. I'm serious. He's been promising "self-driving" for years, except the damn technology isn't ready/safe enough for what people are clearly using this from. The manufacturer puts a warning label, but the usage model/UI is clearly flawed. His engineers know this, which is why Tesla's self-driving group has had such a high turnover rate over the last few years. Musk keeps overriding them.

No offense but this is exactly the attitude that inhibits progress and led the auto industry to languish in mediocrity for years. If you wait until the technology would prevent all accidents, you'd be waiting forever.

Your attitude is inhibiting progress. Everybody knows the technology is not ready and everyone is fine with it and willing to face the consequences of refining it. Everyone except Tesla that is, which insists their self-driving tech is so advanced they even call it autopilot encouraging people to treat it as such and refuse to admit any fault in this mess.

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Post by ggg9990 »

TAForObvReasons wrote: post #167
dirkgently wrote: post #62

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Tesla's "Auto-pilot" is one of the most blatant market-speak lies I have come across lately, and they have been getting away it.

"Move fast and break things" is probably the worst philosophy to sweep over SV. It encourages a worldview where externalities that potentially break laws and maim or kill other people should be disregarded in the pursuit of "progress" and profits. But it's nice to see the HN community finally start to come to this realization

It started at Facebook and made sense for Facebook since nobody’s life is ruined if they can’t use Facebook for 5 minutes. It’s not appropriate for Tesla or even Google.

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Post by Arn_Thor »

dpiers wrote: post #24
bazooka2th wrote: post #7

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From Wired's "People Keep Confusing Their Teslas for Self-Driving Cars" ( https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-crash-dui/ ): A spokesperson pointed out that the owner's manual reads, “Autosteer is not designed to, and will not, steer Model S around objects partially or completely in the driving lane”. I haven't seen the encouragement to not pay attention. In some ad on TV, maybe it was for a new Cadillac, the…

Yes, because people are known for diligently reading fine print. /s Cadillac has an eye-tracking system that deactivates the self-driving features if you aren't watching the road, and their system is limited to specific highways they have mapped. Tesla has a ridiculously inadequate attentiveness control, and they do little to nothing to remind people who regularly fail to keep their hands on the wheel. They don't nag…

If their life is on the line they'd be stupid not to. Which, of course, a lot of people are. But the fact it's common doesn't take away the blame

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Post by TekMol »

All I see is this:

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Maybe we should develop a habbit here on HN not to link to geo-fenced sites?

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Post by jcims »

api wrote: post #216
admyral wrote: post #215

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No offense but this is exactly the attitude that inhibits progress and led the auto industry to languish in mediocrity for years. If you wait until the technology would prevent all accidents, you'd be waiting forever.

It needs to be as good as an average human. Do we have enough stats to compare yet?

They are falling way behind in blasting errant pedestrians. Stories from the last 24hrs.

https://www.google.com/search?q=pedestrian+killed&prmd=nvi&s...

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Post by zrobotics »

jgibson wrote: post #288
jonknee wrote: post #40

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I don't follow it super closely but there is exactly 1 car manufacture that I can think of guilty of pushing the self driving myth. The established car makers seem to market it as an assist, not as an autopilot. Tesla is the outlier, everyone else is much more conservative.

I think there is more than one. This Audi ad from 2016 shows it driving around with no hands on wheel. They don't get as much press as Tesla, and I don't know how good their system is, but it sure does make a bold implication (although their choice of the "Piloted Driving" name is probably a much safer choice than Teslas. https://youtu.be/I2j2-DqcPfM

Is it though? Piloted means human controlled, often by a highly trained professional. I agree that auto pilot is a confusing term, but in an aircraft auto pilot systems are actually more primitive than Tesla's offering. To me, it just sounds like a cheesy way to mimic the name people are familiar with for self-driving features without infringing trademark. Because taken literally, it suggests a more capable system than auto pilot does.

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Post by tim333 »

mikeash wrote: post #99
RobLach wrote: post #42

I remember reading people saying that insurance premiums will plummet for Teslas because of how much safer they will be on the road. Today I read Tesla is getting into the insurance business because premiums are getting out of hand. It makes some sense since internally they’ll have more data they can use to deny claims. It’s interesting how reality plays out. https://electrek.co/2018/05/29/tesla-insuremytesla-insuran…

I’m skeptical that it’s because premiums are getting out of hand. The report that Teslas are the most expensive to insure only looked at the top of the line version of each model. For the Model S they looked at the P100D, which costs something like $140,000, and is one of the fastest accelerating street cars ever made. I’m not surprised that’s expensive to insure, but that doesn’t mean a more mundane one will be.

They seem to have impressive repair costs. If I was an insurer I'd quote high because of that, not because they were more likely to crash. (eg https://cleantechnica.com/2018/05/20/heres-what-7000-of-dama...)

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Post by chrisper »

hfdgiutdryg wrote: post #96
njarboe wrote: post #74

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But not any worse than the term cruise control really.

You're getting downvoted, but I agree. A commercial pilot doesn't flip on autopilot and start browsing the internet on a phone or take a nap. And that's at 30k feet where there's little traffic to worry about. It seems like a misunderstanding of what the technology does, by consumers and the media. I'm no expert on Tesla's marketing history, but I'm of the opinion that these crashes are due to drivers misunderstandin…

> where there's little traffic to worry about

I don't think you are aware of how much traffic on the "air roads" really is....

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Post by siruncledrew »

true_religion wrote: post #262
TAForObvReasons wrote: post #167

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"Move fast and break things" is probably the worst philosophy to sweep over SV. It encourages a worldview where externalities that potentially break laws and maim or kill other people should be disregarded in the pursuit of "progress" and profits. But it's nice to see the HN community finally start to come to this realization

That.... was just Facebook's idea. I don't know any other company apart from those founded by former Facebook employees that took the monicker seriously. A more mainstream paradigm was 'disrupt!' as in disrupt old industries, by applying the rules in ways that they couldn't aided by technology that they are disinclined to use. For instance Uber used 'disrupt!' as the centerpiece of their business, by acting as contra…

Facebook may have invented the slogan, but others still took the concept and ran with it. There's various incubators in SV that repeat that same mantra to startups because they heard it from one of the big boys (Facebook) or read about it in some VC Medium post. I'm not pointing fingers, but just saying that even in such innovative places people will still blindly follow those paradigms like it's conditioning.

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Post by dralley »

Natsu wrote: post #249
TAForObvReasons wrote: post #167

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"Move fast and break things" is probably the worst philosophy to sweep over SV. It encourages a worldview where externalities that potentially break laws and maim or kill other people should be disregarded in the pursuit of "progress" and profits. But it's nice to see the HN community finally start to come to this realization

"Move fast and break things" was Facebook's idea, not Tesla's.

It's Facebook's motto, but the mindset is far more widespread.
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