That disclaimer wears thinner each time someone does something stupid like this. Tesla can keep repeating it until a third party gets killed or maimed, or it can act responsibly.
Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser
291–300 of 488 posts
Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser
#292Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel like I-5 between SF and LA is probably one of the safer places to use it. Any place else, maybe not so much.
typical fear-based, anti-freedom, anti-progress response in these comments. The NHTSA found a 40% crash rate reduction from Tesla's autopilot. So yea "blame Elon Musk"
No, that's not at all clear, and is in fact unlikely; rather: some of the capabilities in the basket of features Tesla calls "autopilot" are associated with lower crash rates, and it's not at all clear which; there are steep reductions in accidents, possibly exceeding Tesla's numbers, from cars with automatic emergency braking. Just because AEBs are useful safety features does not mean that auto-steering is necessarily on net a safe feature.
Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser
#293Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don’t totally disagree with you but I will point out that planes land everyday in white out conditions with no visibility due to level 3 landing systems. The pilot can’t see anything and thus can’t help really even if they are awake. They’re mostly just there to talk to air traffic control for these kinds of landings. One pilot told me the Airbus planes no longer allow manual control.
Accoring to Wikipedia, you still need to have a minimum runway visibility unless you are landing CAT-IIIc, which is not used commercially (yet). CAT-III landings are automatic, but the pilot needs some visibility to decide if the plane is going to touch down in the landing zone. If they are totally blind they will divert. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instrument_landing_system#ILS_...
[deleted]
Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser
#294I keep wondering what the customer benefit of Level 2 autopilot is if not to lower your attention and relax your mind. Tesla's "out" is that drivers are supposed to retain full attention and oversight of the autopilot system -- but then if you strictly follow this rule, what is the benefit of autopilot? I can see the benefit to Tesla and future Tesla customers of essentially crowdsourced fleet learning. But what is t…
The actual benefit is to have the car handles itself in situation where you would be distracted regardless. I engage similar system on my car before fiddling with the attention seeking touch screen, or when I need to give a quick look at the kids behind. Another is traffic jam: a lot of nothing going followed by a lot of things going on - focus on the wrong thing and you can rear end somebody. Minor benefit are some…
before fiddling with the attention seeking touch screen
...in other words, the feature partially works around some of the problems they introduced themselves by using an overly complex touchscreen UI instead of the traditional no-eyes-needed buttons and knobs.
Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser
#295Earlier quoted context omitted.
"Move fast and break things" was never meant for actual real world physical things (or laws). It was a mantra that encouraged breaking sacred cows and assumptions but has been bastardized and vilified by the anti-big tech crowd. Obviously you can be a little more lax on your production quality if you're building inane web apps rather than rocket ships or medical devices.
not to mention that autopilot has demonstrably reduced the crash rate by 40% so it really is just vilification from a desire for retribution without consideration of actual impact
No, it hasn't (see upthread, where you repeated this claim).
Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser
#296Earlier quoted context omitted.
I don't follow it super closely but there is exactly 1 car manufacture that I can think of guilty of pushing the self driving myth. The established car makers seem to market it as an assist, not as an autopilot. Tesla is the outlier, everyone else is much more conservative.
Auto pilot != Self driving. People love to conflate these two so much that the people saying it rely on everybody else conflating it to justify their ignorance. This is just like Fox "some people say" - Fox people say! Or Javascript Bitcoin miners - Monero is not Bitcoin! It's snowing so there is no global warming - It is "climate change" but the entire globe is warming! This hurricane is just weather, not climate ch…
You're like Lewis Carroll's Humpty Dumpty
> what I say is always what I mean, and if you misunderstand, it's your fault.
Linguistic pragmatics 101: communication is a two way street.
Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser
#297Earlier quoted context omitted.
I feel like I-5 between SF and LA is probably one of the safer places to use it. Any place else, maybe not so much.
typical fear-based, anti-freedom, anti-progress response in these comments. The NHTSA found a 40% crash rate reduction from Tesla's autopilot. So yea "blame Elon Musk"
No, the NHTSA found no such thing. They did, however, determine that Tesla was not participating in their investigations in good faith.
Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser
#298Earlier quoted context omitted.
Tesla is shipping systems in the absolute infancy of this technology that are already statistically indistinguishable from human drivers as far as safety goes. That’s a hell of a claim, I’d love to see some serious citations on it.
Oh, for goodness sake. Just Google "Tesla accident rate" and you'll find plenty of yammering on both sides of the argument. But read the numbers therein and you'll find that (1) they're noisy, because it's just one car model and (2) they're clearly in line with what you see with other car statistics. There are plenty of cars that have been detectable death traps. Teslas aren't among them. You're just spooked by the s…
You’re conflating two systems. Tesla rolled out Collision Avoidance Assist and Autopilot around the same time. Collision avoidance is undoubtably a great feature that’s contributed to a decline in accident rates. That’s primarily what helps you in cases where you “fail to remain alert.”
But here I am asking about the other feature, autopilot, i.e. autosteering. The TOS requires you to remain fully alert when using the feature. So even if it were pitched as a safety benefit that keeps you from lane drifting when you’re not paying attention — you’d be violating the TOS.
So what is the benefit that doesn’t violate TOS? Clearly the implication is — and most Tesla users agree — it lowers the cognitive load while driving. But this would seem to undermine Tesla’s defense that drivers must remain vigilant and attentive at all times when using it.
Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser
#299Earlier quoted context omitted.
Exactly: you get that benefit with adaptive cruise control. What autopilot adds is autosteer. What’s the benefit there that doesn’t violate TOS? You are supposed to keep your hands on the wheel and pay full attention just the same.
It moves your mind from micro to macro. Instead of focusing on balancing the car within the lane I can look 500m in front and plan further ahead. I can also spend 2 seconds with eyes off road adjusting the navigation compared to without where you can only spend maybe max 0.5sec. I also feel much fresher after a long trip, constant minor adjustments sounds minor but once you've driven with a good lane keeping aid(not…
It still feels like you are driving but the path of least resistance is always pulling you towards the center of the lane.
...except when it doesn't, and you're forced to suddenly comprehend the unusual situation and react before its too late:
Re: Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser
#300Earlier quoted context omitted.
I test drove a Volvo S90 recently. The Pilot Assist feature almost feels like a gimmick due to the attention required. If you don't give steering input in five seconds, Pilot Assist disables itself. It basically requires enough of your attention that there's little difference between using it and not using it. It seems pretty clear to me that Volvo only has Pilot Assist in the first place as a method to gather data v…
I’ve found lane keeping assistants to be fantastic, but you have to think of them as ASSISTING. It’s not going to drive for you. But it does an amazing job of basically canceling out crosswinds when you find yourself driving down the highway. It makes a huge difference, it makes it much less tiring/frustrating. Going slow on a windless day? Straight street? Not that useful. For helping with very gentle curves or very…
And for basic station keeping in relatively predictable stop and go traffic. It relieves you of some unnecessary micromanagement but it's not autonomous.