Tesla in autopilot mode crashes into parked Laguna Beach police cruiser

melling wrote: post #4

“You are about to hit a solid object. Stop.” Why can’t we solve the most basic use case? We don’t have the sensors and it’s all done with cameras?

It’s a solved issue, but Tesla doesn’t use LIDAR so it will never be solved for them.

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Post by olliej » Tue, May 29, 2018, 11:39 PM UTC

I really wish all the car manufacturers would stop with this bullshit "you still have to be driving it" self driving nonsense.

Claiming that the driver is still responsible for driving the car, while using a system designed to encourage the "driver" to not pay attention is a dumb idea, and all I can see is this kind of thing leading to regulations the delay actual self driving cars.

I'm not a self-driving car fanboy or anything. I don't think it's just around the corner, but it's clearly going to happen /eventually/ and I can't imagine it being more dangerous than regular drivers. But this kind of "self driving but not" features feel like the sort of thing that calls to government agencies for regulation, and sufficiently "dumb" mistakes from these systems seems like the sort of thing that triggers a reactive over-regulation.

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Post by bazooka2th » Tue, May 29, 2018, 11:48 PM UTC

olliej wrote: post #6

I really wish all the car manufacturers would stop with this bullshit "you still have to be driving it" self driving nonsense. Claiming that the driver is still responsible for driving the car, while using a system designed to encourage the "driver" to not pay attention is a dumb idea, and all I can see is this kind of thing leading to regulations the delay actual self driving cars. I'm not a self-driving car fanboy…

From Wired's "People Keep Confusing Their Teslas for Self-Driving Cars" (https://www.wired.com/story/tesla-autopilot-crash-dui/):

A spokesperson pointed out that the owner's manual reads, “Autosteer is not designed to, and will not, steer Model S around objects partially or completely in the driving lane”.

I haven't seen the encouragement to not pay attention. In some ad on TV, maybe it was for a new Cadillac, the driver opens a soda with both hands off the wheel, and that seemed to be as far as they were willing to go.

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Post by acct1771 » Tue, May 29, 2018, 11:52 PM UTC

olliej wrote: post #6

I really wish all the car manufacturers would stop with this bullshit "you still have to be driving it" self driving nonsense. Claiming that the driver is still responsible for driving the car, while using a system designed to encourage the "driver" to not pay attention is a dumb idea, and all I can see is this kind of thing leading to regulations the delay actual self driving cars. I'm not a self-driving car fanboy…

Agree, except self driving car regs have been published.

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Post by shanghaiaway » Wed, May 30, 2018, 12:03 AM UTC

Another auto pilot crash. List so far: 1 Hebei, Fatal China crash https://jalopnik.com/two-years-on-a-father-is-still-fighting... 2 Florida, Fatal Joshua Brown crashes into truck. https://jalopnik.com/tesla-driver-in-fatal-florida-crash-got... 3 Mountain view, Fatal Model X crash. https://www.mercurynews.com/2018/03/30/tesla-autopilot-was-o... 4 Reference to auto-pilot crash in Hayward. http://abc7news.com/automotive/i-team-exclusive-tesla-crash-... 5 You You Xue crashes in Greece http://abc7news.com/automotive/millbrae-driver-says-tesla-mo... 6 Utah autopilot crash, Tesla driver injured, Firetruck driver injured. https://www.sfgate.com/business/technology/article/Unclear-i... 7 Texas autopilot crash 'Car crashed, then continued to accelerate' https://www.dallasnews.com/business/autos/2016/08/25/dallas-... 8 SF VC autopilot crash, she took over control just before the autopilot crash, Tesla blamed her for being in control when the crash happened. In her words 'its your fault if you take control, its your fault when you do not take control'. https://www.digitaltrends.com/cars/tesla-autopilot-related-c... 9 Laguna Canyon road crash into a parked vehicle. Driver injured. https://twitter.com/LBPD_PIO_45/status/1001541486146547717 10 FenderBender Crash video on youtube. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQkx-4pFjus&feature=youtu.be 11 Wisconsin Model X crash https://www.carcomplaints.com/news/2018/insurance-company-su... 12. Culver City crash into Fire Truck http://abc7.com/traffic/2-federal-agencies-investigate-tesla... 13 Autopilot crash in Germany https://www.reuters.com/article/tesla-germany-crash/tesla-cr... 14. Model X crashes into Semi in California. Not many details. https://electrek.co/2017/03/27/tesla-model-x-autopilot-crash... 15. Laguna Canyon road crash into semi at same spot as (9) april 10, 2017. http://ktla.com/2018/05/29/tesla-on-autopilot-crashes-into-l... There are probably more crashes that have not been reported prominently and not disclosed by Tesla either.

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Post by iamleppert » Wed, May 30, 2018, 12:04 AM UTC

“Come check out our really awesome manual auto-pilot! It’s fully manual automatically!”