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The 9.9 Percent Is the New American Aristocracy

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Re: The 9.9 Percent Is the New American Aristocracy

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Some of the points about privilege might be accurate, but breaking economic status in to .1%, 9.9%, and 90% is arbitrary and misleading. The author tries to make the point that “the 9.9%” have the majority of the wealth and this issue is as big or bigger than the concentration of wealth at the very top. The problem is that this is largely an artifact of the division system. The distribution is highly skewed, and the…

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Re: The 9.9 Percent Is the New American Aristocracy

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In the past, nobody really attacked the rich because so many Americans think they'll one day be in their shoes. In 2003, we learned that 19% of Americans think they are in the richest 1% and a further 20% expect to be someday [1]. People have slowly woken up to the fact that their math was way off and class mobility doesn't really work that way. The brief "Occupy" movement and the identification of the 1% as a species largely unlike the rest of us shined a big spotlight on a class of people who would rather not receive so much attention. This article seems to be almost deliberately engineered to downplay the 1%-vs-99% narrative that once illustrated a distinct oil-vs-water class divide in the country. How better to confuse people about who the villains are than to muddy the water by adding "slightly richer normal people" into the mix with the plutocrats and Wall Street billionaires. This almost reads as a PR piece, straight from the desk of the Koch brothers or a Wall Street managing director: "Look over there! There's a hard working father of two who owns a few laundromats and a family doctor with a vacation home! Those guys are totally relatable to you poor people, just like us billionaires!"

1: https://www.nytimes.com/2003/01/12/opinion/the-triumph-of-ho...

Re: The 9.9 Percent Is the New American Aristocracy

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Class differentiation is the central meaning of life. The struggle is the point. You get up and wear nice clothes in the morning so that you're better than the slob that doesn't. Nobody wants to be the same as everyone else. If everyone was equal, then there would be no point in your existence. You become a bag of mostly water. Celebrate the fact that a few billionaires and royalty and celebrities exists. Life is mor…

> Can you imagine how terrible everything would be if everyone was middle class?

It would be a vast improvement over the status quo, where most people are either working class or underclass.

> We should focus on the very bottom, not the very top.

They aren't separate issues, they are aspects of the same issue.

Re: The 9.9 Percent Is the New American Aristocracy

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A clever manipulation piece: It melds 1% multi-millionaires with upper-middle class to create some kind of bourgeois enemy. In reality these 32 million people have different lifestyles, sources of income and their networth does not indicate true wealth: they could be living in an expensive house that they bought much cheaper, but a few trips into a hospital will bankrupt them. The whole concept of "net worth" is highly deceptive and can be manipulated into framing economic importance as function of potential wealth(if "X sold all their property" vs actual currency reserves).

Re: The 9.9 Percent Is the New American Aristocracy

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Right, it obfuscates class distinctions between those who control capital and policy versus those who just have money. I'm somewhat cynical but I think this is an intended obfuscation. It's important for petit bourgeois and wealthy skilled workers to understand their position in the class hierarchy, but calling a class whose power is dwarfed by the capitalist class an aristocracy is fluffy rhetoric.

> those who control capital and policy versus those who just have money Controlling policy is one thing. Who "just has money" and doesn't control capital? Anyone who has money actually has some sort of capital or an equivalently powerful financial instrument be it stocks, loans to other companies, government bonds, a house, etc.

Just because you own, e.g. stock doesn't mean you control the underlying means of production it represents a share of. Most people who own stock do so as part of a retirement fund. Those institutional investors, banks, managers, politicians, corporate board members, CEO's, etc. Are the ones who actually control capital. It should be emphasized that a lot of how capitalism runs these days is in the hands of huge bureaucracies that comprise people but don't quite act like people. There is a small class of people who operate at that level as individuals: these are the capitalist class.

This is an important distinction, don't you think?

Re: The 9.9 Percent Is the New American Aristocracy

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> Every piece of the pie picked up by the 0.1 percent, in relative terms, had to come from the people below. this statement is literally true, but aside from "in relative terms", the wording of the whole sentence seems to evoke a zero sum game. I see this type of writing in most articles about inequality and I wish the authors would strive to be more explicit. it's an important distinction, even if we agree that rela…

The explicit invocation of the concept "zero-sum" is avoided because it's a lightning rod for criticism, where someone will inevitably chime in to point out the realization of absolute gains of utility among the losers also; specifically, that important metrics like living standards have been improving for wide swaths of the population, even those whose share of wealth declined over time.

And therein lies the disconnect: both can be true, because one of them is a tautology; and it just so happens that relative disparities in wealth among the pool of people in market for a service will cause the competition to attain some elements of an auction, and cause the poorer parties to lose out.

Re: The 9.9 Percent Is the New American Aristocracy

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Class differentiation is the central meaning of life. The struggle is the point. You get up and wear nice clothes in the morning so that you're better than the slob that doesn't. Nobody wants to be the same as everyone else. If everyone was equal, then there would be no point in your existence. You become a bag of mostly water. Celebrate the fact that a few billionaires and royalty and celebrities exists. Life is mor…

It's possible for us to focus both on improving conditions at the very bottom and also trying to understand how a very small percentage at the very top is siphoning so much out of our shared system.

I would argue that both issues are worth looking at.

Re: The 9.9 Percent Is the New American Aristocracy

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Class differentiation is the central meaning of life. The struggle is the point. You get up and wear nice clothes in the morning so that you're better than the slob that doesn't. Nobody wants to be the same as everyone else. If everyone was equal, then there would be no point in your existence. You become a bag of mostly water. Celebrate the fact that a few billionaires and royalty and celebrities exists. Life is mor…

I agree with you in every point. It reminds me the saying of some writer of old:

'All of the struggle in life comes from the fact of not being able to stay quiet in a room for a long time'.

Re: The 9.9 Percent Is the New American Aristocracy

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I couldn't help but think of Eyes Wide Shut when reading this. For those who have seen the film, the leading character, a physician who lives in Upper East Side in Manhattan, easily fits the bill (npi) of being a 9.9%er. But as Kubrick makes it clear, he is merely a well paid servant of the true hidden aristocracy, and very much preoccupied with matters that are of no concern to the aristocratic class. I agree with t…

That was just a fictional movie, man. I wouldn't read too much into that.

Re: The 9.9 Percent Is the New American Aristocracy

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Class differentiation is the central meaning of life. The struggle is the point. You get up and wear nice clothes in the morning so that you're better than the slob that doesn't. Nobody wants to be the same as everyone else. If everyone was equal, then there would be no point in your existence. You become a bag of mostly water. Celebrate the fact that a few billionaires and royalty and celebrities exists. Life is mor…

Speak for yourself. What a dismal outlook.
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