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Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016)

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Re: Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016)

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Because some dude or gal somewhere some time ago thought it would be funny that generations to come would need to learn irregular forms of some random words! Why would grammar rules apply all the same to all the words, not that logical is it? /s

That is not in any shape or fashion how languages are made. Language will never be logical, because humans are not logical.

Re: Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016)

#83

Huh... I wonder if the the "eng" from England and English related to the Middle English englen and Old English englas for "angels"? Is England the land of angels? Edit: Ah, no. It's from the Angles: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Angles

According to the Venerable Bede, Pope Gregory I drew the same parallel in ~595: "Non Angli, sed angeli – They are not Angles, but angels. Well named, for they have angelic faces and ought to be co-heirs with the angels in heaven.".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pope_Gregory_I#Famous_quotes_a...

Re: Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016)

#84
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I can live with "glasses", "pants", "pliers" and "scissors", but "data" drives me crazy because even native speakers seem to be completely inconsistent when it comes to its number. EDIT: Now that I think about it there is another one that is hard for me, even it I know it is the correct form in English: visa (singular) and visas (plural). In my mother tongue it follows the same pattern as datum and data, it's Visum (…

Data is a plural of datum, if you're considering the individual pieces, but it's more commonly used (in my experience as a US native) as a collection singular like sand. Ex the sand has formed a hill, the data has filled the hard drive.

I haven't heard the term "collection singular" before; I'd call that a mass noun or non-count noun. (Which I agree "data" has become.)

Re: Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016)

#85

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Doubtful. Also, I think your "simpler" transcription is actually less phonologically accurate. For instance, I would transcribe the "er" in "wonder" as [ɝ]. In some dialects, it would actually just be [ɜ] without any pronounced trace of the "r" like sound. In actuallity, I suspect that it is actually [ɜɹ] underlying, and the two sounds just coalesce into [ɝ] when you pronounce them. That is to say, the "er" sound is…

Something that HN readers often don't understand is that being an engineer or having advanced understanding of a field does not equate having an understanding of linguistics, despite being a native speaker of a language. Merely striking out letters from words doesn't make a language or its spelling any simpler...

Not sure if that is directed at me, but I did minor in linguistics.

Re: Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016)

#86
post #29

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Data is a plural of datum, if you're considering the individual pieces, but it's more commonly used (in my experience as a US native) as a collection singular like sand. Ex the sand has formed a hill, the data has filled the hard drive.

And in the UK, Lego.

You mean "not in the US"? Im not sure exactly, but only have heard people in US saying "Legos". (Australia here, we play with Lego!)

Re: Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016)

#87
A bit OT, but there is a wonderful PBS/BBC series on the history of English on youtube:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K1XQx9pGGd0

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DG7REAOG1kc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3cZR1EXGapc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1Kg63k5JDH8

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oBqlVl0K9tw

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BVH6LdoEDNs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJLDvP-N0zQ

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ej60L8xLLdo

Re: Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016)

#88

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I can live with "glasses", "pants", "pliers" and "scissors", but "data" drives me crazy because even native speakers seem to be completely inconsistent when it comes to its number. EDIT: Now that I think about it there is another one that is hard for me, even it I know it is the correct form in English: visa (singular) and visas (plural). In my mother tongue it follows the same pattern as datum and data, it's Visum (…

In Australia, is the singular of darta "dartum"? (Genuine question for any Aussies)

uh.. I don't think dartum is used, I've never heard it. "A piece of data" maybe.. But it's rare to have to talk of just one.

Re: Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016)

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Something that HN readers often don't understand is that being an engineer or having advanced understanding of a field does not equate having an understanding of linguistics, despite being a native speaker of a language. Merely striking out letters from words doesn't make a language or its spelling any simpler...

Not sure if that is directed at me, but I did minor in linguistics.

Certainly not at you, but at the comment you replied to and a lot of comments whenever linguistics-related topics come up here.

Re: Why “children,” not “childs”? (2016)

#90
post #2

Worse imho is the "glasses", "pants", "pliers", "scissors", etc thing. Single object with plural name just because it happens to be made of two similar parts. Most objects are made of multiple parts though and they get a singular name just fine. That and the "double u", why not "we"??

A lot less strange that intimate objects having a gender as you do a French and many other languages

At this point gender in most languages has almost nothing to do with the semantic meaning of the words themselves -- biological gender or whatever -- and we might as well call it something less culturally loaded like "noun class". A famous example is "das Mädchen" in German -- a masculine (edit: neuter, I mean!) noun for a biologically feminine person. Languages are littered with such inconsistencies, and as a language learner almost all of the genders are not discoverable from the semantic meaning of the word. Why is "ei bok" (Norwegian for "a book") feminine, when it's categorically an inanimate thing?
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