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Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Central Washington

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Re: Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Central Washington

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I like how it is done by the utility in San Francisco. Depending on the size of your place, and your main method of heating (electric or not), there are tiers setup (based on average weather in each month) where the first X kWh are the cheapest and correspond to what they think a dwelling of that size should need. Then the next Y kWh are about 30% more expensive, then after that there is a final tier which is 60% mor…

The majority of the demand is almost certainly from industrial sized operations in warehouses and not rouge miners overloading residential electrical circuits.

Re: Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Central Washington

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I believe Venezuela proves you completely wrong. You should read up on what is going on there with Bitcoin. What Satoshi envisioned is actually happening there. The fact that bitcoin has gone 10 years, with limited use, to me signals just how amazing the technology is. Ten years is nothing for a tech that can last 1000 (or more..).

Last I heard about Venezuela and bitcoins, people there were using the "free" electricity to mine bitcoins, contributing to the rolling blackouts. And then using the bitcoins to import overpriced stuff. Yeah, you shouldn't give people electricity flatrates, because of stuff like this. This is why we can't have nice things, this is why socialism doesn't work etc. But the bitcoin miners are really destructive in this c…

You need to read up about bitcoin.

Bitcoin’s success in Venezuela is because it is a inflation hedge. It has allowed Venezuelaeans to hold on to their savings and out of reach from the government’s ability to confisticate wealth via inflation.

It is working exactly as Satoshi intended it to.

Re: Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Central Washington

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I started with "at this point in time". At this point in time, it is easy for a person not suspected of crime (or otherwise being on the wrong side of the government) to move their british pounds from their London account to e.g. one in New York or Switzerland, convert them to USD or CHF either before or after the transfer, and generally hedge against government by betting on other things. At this point in time, the…

You seemed to have missed the point. There’s nothing to stop an oppressive government from preventing its people from buying bitcoin the same as they prevent them from buying pounds and wiring them to British banks. The dark hints about how any government may become oppressive is a red herring. The issue isn’t that bitcoin isn’t needed because my government isn’t currently oppressive, it’s that bitcoin’s utility in t…

That area of magical thinking just amazes me: look at the Chinese Great Firewall or Erdogan’s Turkey to see how this would actually work. People get arrested for visiting websites or having the wrong app on their phone and there’s no reason to believe that capacity wouldn’t be used the same way.

This especially bad for Bitcoin since unlike cash they’d get your full history and quickly deanonymize everyone you know.

Re: Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Central Washington

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It's hard to explain the levels of stupidity in this. - people trading 'coins' in the same way Pokemon / WWF kids trade cards. - thinking this is actually a long-term 'investment' strategy (well its idiots trading with each other ...) - to top it off, siphoning off electricity and giving a load of shitty excuses 'it could be like Seattle's. I don't know where to begin with this Bitcoin crap; it's gotten crazy that so…

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Re: Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Central Washington

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Pointing out that other revolutionary tech looked stupid to some people at first doesn't mean that things that look stupid are going to be revolutionary. You could just as easily point out that investing in beanie babies looked stupid, or any of a number of other totally failed ideas seemed stupid. Most things fail. Your comparison adds no meaningful information and is attempting to mislead based on fallacious reason…

I think you missed the point I was trying to make; I was mentioning that OP has made a too broad of a statement which could apply to any successful technology too. I wasn't trying to make any comparisons, since these are two very different situations.

I think you were unclear - I also thought you were saying that bitcoin was like the successful tech you mentioned.

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Well now you know what the market cap is for snake oil. For the first time we've gotten a clear view of the market size -- and with that kind of size there's no doubt this won't be the last one.

It's not exactly snake oil because you used to be able to buy thinks with it. It's just become snake oil. Maybe that's pedantic, but I don't think it would have become large if it hadn't initially been on a path towards being useful as a currency.

Snake oil has actual medical benefits. It wouldn't have become a widely known fake cure-all ripoff if it hadn't initially been useful as a medicine.

Re: Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Central Washington

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I find myself hoping it implodes sooner rather than later. Purely selfish on my part - but I would like to be able to buy a new graphics card some day. I'm already dreading the insane scramble when Nvidia announces their new cards (likely this summer).

Crypto and the AI boom are funneling money to Nvidia for R&D and to ramp up production. If you want advancement in graphics cards to come more quickly, it’s not a bad trend.

However, after crypto blew up in their face last time (they ramped up production just before bitcoin gpu mining got replaced by ASICs and ended up with a load of unwanted GPUs), they haven't been so quick to ramp up production this time.

Re: Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Central Washington

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That has happened like half a dozen times before in the history of Bitcoin. Not really a sign of demise.

How many times before did your mom ask you about it? Precedent isn’t here. But, if you are willing to say what happened in the yesterday will happen tomorrow, I assume you’ve taken a HELOC put on your house and invested in bitcoin - rift?

You comment is hard to understand but, I'm not saying the near term price is an indicator of it's long term health I'm saying it historically isn't a prediction of anything.

Re: Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Central Washington

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I started with "at this point in time". At this point in time, it is easy for a person not suspected of crime (or otherwise being on the wrong side of the government) to move their british pounds from their London account to e.g. one in New York or Switzerland, convert them to USD or CHF either before or after the transfer, and generally hedge against government by betting on other things. At this point in time, the…

You seemed to have missed the point. There’s nothing to stop an oppressive government from preventing its people from buying bitcoin the same as they prevent them from buying pounds and wiring them to British banks. The dark hints about how any government may become oppressive is a red herring. The issue isn’t that bitcoin isn’t needed because my government isn’t currently oppressive, it’s that bitcoin’s utility in t…

I am looking at what is actually happening, not hypothesizing.

> There’s nothing to stop an oppressive government from preventing its people from buying bitcoin the same as they prevent them from buying pounds and wiring them to British banks.

There's also nothing to stop an oppressive government from killing its people (and some do). But oppressive is not binary, and people have used bitcoin to "smuggle" money out of (at least) Venezuela and China, despite capital controls and government crackdown, in ways that they weren't able to do with british pounds (and which would have been much harder and riskier with physical gold).

> You are attributing magic powers to bitcoins that they do not have. Black markets are not invulnerable to government crackdowns because they are digital. On the contrary, digital networks are in many ways easier to control centrally than distributed underground physical networks.

I am not attributing any magic powers. I am observing the reality as it happens now ; governments crack down on digital networks and black markets but it's much, much harder for them to shut down than bank transfers.

To stop bank transfers, all you need to do these days as a government is click the right button. To take down the Silk Road, the US government took many months and a lot of work; an oppressive regime might have done that more quickly and swiftly, but it would still have taken considerably more effort than shutting down wire transfers. The special feature cryptocurrencies have is ease of carrying across borders .

> The dark hints about how any government may become oppressive is a red herring. The issue isn’t that bitcoin isn’t needed because my government isn’t currently oppressive, it’s that bitcoins utility in the face of an oppressive government is wildly exaggerated.

Oppressive is not binary. Cypriots were (perhaps still are) subjected to very strict capital controls, with no attempt to crackdown on bitcoin.

Re: Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Central Washington

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bitcoin is already 65% off the highs. many other coins down 80% + more. I think that is pretty much close to imploded

That has happened like half a dozen times before in the history of Bitcoin. Not really a sign of demise.

Bitcoin has a lot of interesting failure modes if the price falls too far.

People will start taking mining hardware offline. This will result in a lot of idle capacity. There will be a number of people capable of pulling off a 51% attack. And if the hash rate falls very quickly, say 50% in a week, the difficulty adjustment will be unable to keep up. This would have all sorts of nasty effects.

If the price goes to $4000 it should go to zero. That's assuming that the "investors" will behave sensibly, which is never a safe bet.

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