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Re: Pornography and the Butterfly Effect

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Post by curioussavage »

te_chris wrote: post #81
matte_black wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Females only have the upperhand until their 30s, when the pool of suitable men begins to dry up. After this point they must become increasingly attractive and prurient to maintain the same level of options as the average young 20 something.

I’m not sure this disproves the comment you’re replying to. There will always be the ‘reject pool’ from previous years, but women in their 30s seem to be better at moving on with their lives. Men seem to resent it and demand the world provide them a partner and blame women when they say (collectively) “nah mate, we’re good”.

I have met plenty of bitter older single women.

Re: Pornography and the Butterfly Effect

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Post by mnm1 »

temp-dude-87844 wrote: post #52

The widespread availability of pornography probably does drive home several extra layers of resentment in someone whose personal track record with courting, dating, and sex has been unsatisfying. At a surface level, it seems to demonstrate that sex -- and not just fruits of performances thereof -- is a transaction, and that the attributes that they bring to the marketplace (appearance, aesthetic, attitude, interests,…

Declining to date someone fat is seen as bullying? That's a new one. I know stupid, controlling people who would say that declining to date someone of a different race is racist, although it's clearly not, but I've never heard this level of stupidity. Maybe there are some extreme morons who really think like this and don't understand the concept of personal choice or even the concept of personal taste and attraction but these idiots are certainly not the majority not do they dictate what is and isn't acceptable as far as dating. In fact the idea of someone else dictating who one dates or not is beyond stupid, controlling, infuriating, and authoritarian. I don't doubt that such shitty people exist, but their hate-because that's the only thing that drives such insane ideas-does not dictate culture.

Re: Pornography and the Butterfly Effect

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Post by Thimothy »

matte_black wrote: post #95
te_chris wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I’m not sure this disproves the comment you’re replying to. There will always be the ‘reject pool’ from previous years, but women in their 30s seem to be better at moving on with their lives. Men seem to resent it and demand the world provide them a partner and blame women when they say (collectively) “nah mate, we’re good”.

Women have plenty of resentment too, especially when they see men their age going after girls several years younger, something they didn’t really experience when they were young.

Because they were the ones dating the older guys. Oh, the irony.

Re: Pornography and the Butterfly Effect

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Post by ovao »

deno wrote: post #152
ovao wrote: post #74

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Perhaps it’s not the best example. Replace it with something more specific if you wish, like “placing live fragmentation grenades in one’s mouth in moderation”.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_Rocks “Moderate use of porn” doesn’t have to mean hardcore pornography. Playboy and erotic novels are probably not equivalent to Anal Whores 3. Similarly, I’ve also heard the argument that high-speed internet pornography and “tube” sites in particular are the problem, because of how they present to the user a never-ending stream of novelty, and not necessarily because of the particul…

The tube sites sometimes lead viewers into a constant state of high-chasing, in which, over time, the severity of the porn gradually increases for the viewer to achieve the same feeling of excitement or gratification. So, from a relative perspective, it can begin with Playboy-type softcore content, but can lead fairly easily to much more hardcore porn. And because the tube sites are free, there's no particular self-checked motivator for someone not to graduate. It requires the cognizance that it can eventually lead to a particularly problematic state of addiction.

It's possible to become addicted to much softer varieties of porn, but the potential ramifications of that addiction may be less severe (or they might be problematic in another sense, like financially).

Re: Pornography and the Butterfly Effect

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Post by paulddraper »

jstarfish wrote: post #146
da_chicken wrote: post #57

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Peterson seems to have a knack for not explaining himself well and expecting people to just understand where he's coming from. He's also really bad at phrasing. He constantly seems to get into hot water for what he says, and then if you try to figure out what he says he actually said it's never for what we're told he says. I think he'd do much better if he wrote more books and had a really good editor .

This is the hallmark of cult (or any organized religion's) literature. Also how therapists operate. Be vague, and let your customers project the meanings onto your words that they most want to hear. If you actually gave people answers, their quest for meaning would be complete and they wont come back next week. You lose engagement.

> Be vague

Then it would seem Peterson is doing poorly at being a cult leader. :/

"On the New York Times and 'Enforced Monogamy'" https://jordanbpeterson.com/media/on-the-new-york-times-and-...

Re: Pornography and the Butterfly Effect

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Post by deno »

ovao wrote: post #184
deno wrote: post #152

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pop_Rocks “Moderate use of porn” doesn’t have to mean hardcore pornography. Playboy and erotic novels are probably not equivalent to Anal Whores 3. Similarly, I’ve also heard the argument that high-speed internet pornography and “tube” sites in particular are the problem, because of how they present to the user a never-ending stream of novelty, and not necessarily because of the particul…

The tube sites sometimes lead viewers into a constant state of high-chasing, in which, over time, the severity of the porn gradually increases for the viewer to achieve the same feeling of excitement or gratification. So, from a relative perspective, it can begin with Playboy-type softcore content, but can lead fairly easily to much more hardcore porn. And because the tube sites are free, there's no particular self-c…

Maybe then there’s some way to attack this problem without necessarily requiring full on abstinence from pornography, which is probably not realistic for the majority of people?

For example an extension that tracks your porn viewing habits and limits video recommendations.

Re: Pornography and the Butterfly Effect

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Post by bitL »

temp-dude-87844 wrote: post #52

The widespread availability of pornography probably does drive home several extra layers of resentment in someone whose personal track record with courting, dating, and sex has been unsatisfying. At a surface level, it seems to demonstrate that sex -- and not just fruits of performances thereof -- is a transaction, and that the attributes that they bring to the marketplace (appearance, aesthetic, attitude, interests,…

> Declining to date someone because they're fat

It's how you wrap it with elegance and allure: just that your preference is to date e.g. petite females. Don't mention fat etc. at all. Or just simply state the person is not your type and walk away. They are pretty aware what they are doing, including taking photos from "slim angle" and trying to sell you "sub-prime CDS as class A-shares", and then just play usual shame game to force you to cater to them. Ignore it; it's like a bad business decision, be strong, enforce what you like and not what they would like you to - you can tell them once they can e.g. run 100m sprint in 13s, then you can date, as sporty ladies make you excited etc. And you even give them a S.M.A.R.T. goal; not that it matters as they will be stuffing themselves with whatever sugar they find, but at least you don't make a political mistake of aligning with the signature of fat shaming.

Re: Pornography and the Butterfly Effect

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Post by paulddraper »

hh3k0 wrote: post #22
erric wrote: post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>”enforced monogamy” from e.g. blowhard academics Are academics advocating wholesale monogamy? That’s usually the field of organized religion.

They are referring to Jordan Peterson. He said something along those lines in a recent interview. I haven't read the interview, though, so I don't know the context.

He said the phrase "enforced monogomy" (in a positive context) and everyone lost their shit.

> My motivated critics couldn’t contain their joyful glee this week at discovering my hypothetical support for a Handmaid’s Tale-type patriarchal social structure

> “enforced monogamy” does not mean government-enforced monogamy. “Enforced monogamy” means socially-promoted, culturally-inculcated monogamy, as opposed to genetic monogamy – evolutionarily-dictated monogamy, which does exist in some species (but does not exist in humans). This distinction has been present in anthropological and scientific literature for decades.

Basically...traditional (voluntary) marriage.

You know, the millenia-old religious/societal contact "to love, honor, cherish and protect him/her, forsaking all others and holding only unto him/her"

Faced with the decision to interpret Peterson's phrase as dsytopian lobster-like social structure, or pedestrian traditional marriage, the author and others assumed the less plausible interpretation.

[1] https://jordanbpeterson.com/media/on-the-new-york-times-and-...

Re: Pornography and the Butterfly Effect

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Post by ovao »

deno wrote: post #186
ovao wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The tube sites sometimes lead viewers into a constant state of high-chasing, in which, over time, the severity of the porn gradually increases for the viewer to achieve the same feeling of excitement or gratification. So, from a relative perspective, it can begin with Playboy-type softcore content, but can lead fairly easily to much more hardcore porn. And because the tube sites are free, there's no particular self-c…

Maybe then there’s some way to attack this problem without necessarily requiring full on abstinence from pornography, which is probably not realistic for the majority of people? For example an extension that tracks your porn viewing habits and limits video recommendations.

I think that's a legitimately great idea, sure. I don't necessarily advocate abstinence (although I feel it's been a good thing for me, in general), so any tool that can help someone recognize when they might be veering down a path that may be harmful would probably be very useful.

Re: Pornography and the Butterfly Effect

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Post by timdellinger »

hfdgiutdryg wrote: post #110

"Did you know that erectile dysfunction rates have risen tenfold among young men since the rise of free porn? Correlation does not prove causality but it’s hard to imagine that those two things aren’t somehow related." I'm extremely skeptical that it's caused by porn. More men are on Propecia than in the past. Probably more anti-depressants, too. And it seems to me that people have really ratcheted up the anxiety in…

Men's testosterone levels have been falling for decades... I agree there's definitely a trend happening that has causal effects other than what the author is postulating.
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