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Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Central Washington

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Re: Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Central Washington

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I think that is a really bad line of logic. There are lots of things that have been around for a long time and make some people plenty of money that are bad things. Pyramid schemes fit your definition - should I start buying in? The opposite way to pose this is: Cryptocurrencies have been around for 9+ years, and there has been literally 0 use for it apart from conning rubes on the internet. The important thing to as…

Who cares? If people want to play in Bitcoin, what difference does it make. Nobody is being forced.

Did you read the article? I believe it highlights the difference it makes.

Re: Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Central Washington

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This is like asking why the solution to bad software is to commit more code. It's because the way to fix a bad law is to pass another law. Otherwise you're saying we should keep the bad laws we have and work around it some other way. Sometimes fixing the symptoms actually is better, but it's not surprising when people suggest changing the code.

Patches on top of patches are not the only way to maintain software.

Some commits are much better than others, but they're all commits.

Re: Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Central Washington

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Indeed, my first thought for how to exploit is already covered in the article: > In other cases, utility crews responding to unusual spikes in power usage have found racks of remotely controlled servers whirring away in empty apartments. House and apartment rental and sale prices are lower than the Seattle area as well. You could rent a 1 bedroom apartment as a "weekend getaway studio with attached server room". One…

Well, aren't there laws that regulate the usage of buildings? Where I live (EU) you definitely cannot host mining racks in living premises. Just to get the higher power links you get questions asked.

how does that sort of regulation actually work? You can obviously have a personal computer. surely you can have a few computers. at what point does the government say you have too many computers?

Re: Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Central Washington

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I was just wondering about this - are the miners being charged taxes on the revenues generated?

According to this Q&A from the IRS, yes, miners are on the hook: https://www.irs.gov/pub/irs-drop/n-14-21.pdf : A-8: Yes, when a taxpayer successfully “mines” virtual currency, the fair market value of the virtual currency as of the date of receipt is includible in gross income. (...) A-9: If a taxpayer’s “mining” of virtual currency constitutes a trade or business, and the “mining” activity is not undertaken by the…

That's only federal tax. I don't think Washington has state income tax. And generally only large cities have local income tax.

Re: Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Central Washington

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It sounds good to people who don’t understand how mining works. Since this argument has been made however, they could make local prices contingent on number of jobs. If you consume x power employing less than y local employees, pay the export rate.

In my limited understanding, that sounds like a highly unusual type of regulation by US standards. Are there any other practices/industries regulated in similar ways?

Utilities; https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Public_utility .

Re: Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Central Washington

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Subsidising energy prices for local consumers based on export revenues is widely practiced but is bad policy. The utilities should charge market rates for consumption and cut local rate-payers a cheque annually using a scheme that encourages energy saving practices.

Why shouldn't people who live in an area receive a dividend from the resource wealth of that area? Property owners in cities receive similar dividends all the time, in the form of rising property prices.

Why should people who are lucky to live near a hydro plant get cheaper power than some one who doesn't should it not be shared across the nation

Re: Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Central Washington

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It's hard to explain the levels of stupidity in this. - people trading 'coins' in the same way Pokemon / WWF kids trade cards. - thinking this is actually a long-term 'investment' strategy (well its idiots trading with each other ...) - to top it off, siphoning off electricity and giving a load of shitty excuses 'it could be like Seattle's. I don't know where to begin with this Bitcoin crap; it's gotten crazy that so…

I find myself hoping it implodes sooner rather than later. Purely selfish on my part - but I would like to be able to buy a new graphics card some day. I'm already dreading the insane scramble when Nvidia announces their new cards (likely this summer).

Re: Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Central Washington

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post #64

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I think that is a really bad line of logic. There are lots of things that have been around for a long time and make some people plenty of money that are bad things. Pyramid schemes fit your definition - should I start buying in? The opposite way to pose this is: Cryptocurrencies have been around for 9+ years, and there has been literally 0 use for it apart from conning rubes on the internet. The important thing to as…

Who cares? If people want to play in Bitcoin, what difference does it make. Nobody is being forced.

i love reading comments about bitcoin on HN. They are just oozing of bitterness cause they don't understand it and missed the boat lol

Re: Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Central Washington

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Whilst I agree that it is a sinkhole, I also hold a fraction of a bitcoin just-in-case I am totally wrong! I don't want to say to my kids, "in my day you could still buy a bitcoin for only $7k."

The other side is that you paid $7,000 for a pet rock.

My 7X year over year gains disagree with you ;)

Re: Bitcoin backlash as ‘miners’ stress power grids in Central Washington

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I don't quite understand something: why are the terms "unpermitted", "unauthorized", and "bootleg" used in the article? When I signed up with Seattle Public Utilities, I didn't sign an agreement saying I wouldn't mine or run servers out of my apartment.

Running industrial equipment off your local residential power grid is both against the terms and conditions of every power company under the sun and also incredibly stupid to do.

Yea, but a bank of mining rigs are running off of 120 volts. Yes--they use a lot of amps, but so do electric heaters.
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