Maybe porn isn't the butterfly. Maybe sexism is the butterfly, and porn just the wind ..
Pornography and the Butterfly Effect
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#22>Perhaps the most volatile question: does widely available free porn encourage “incels,” the latest boogeymen from the Internet, and the calls for “enforced monogamy” from e.g. blowhard academics who people inexplicably take serious? In a world where objective journalism doesn’t pay, does every site become Vice?
>”enforced monogamy” from e.g. blowhard academics Are academics advocating wholesale monogamy? That’s usually the field of organized religion.
They are referring to Jordan Peterson. He said something along those lines in a recent interview. I haven't read the interview, though, so I don't know the context.
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#23>Perhaps the most volatile question: does widely available free porn encourage “incels,” the latest boogeymen from the Internet, and the calls for “enforced monogamy” from e.g. blowhard academics who people inexplicably take serious? In a world where objective journalism doesn’t pay, does every site become Vice?
>”enforced monogamy” from e.g. blowhard academics Are academics advocating wholesale monogamy? That’s usually the field of organized religion.
They're talking specifically about Jordan Peterson, and he sees himself as a high priest who is a literal embodiment of Jesus Christ, rising to the top of the universal dominance hierarchy. He is signaling to his low status followers that he would redistribute sex if he were in power.
If you think I'm making this up or being hyperbolic, watch his 100s of hours worth of lectures on YouTube. Even if you think this is utterly ridiculous, there are millions of people who will follow this man to their deaths.
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#24Two threads here: one is that copyright in porn has largely broken down, resulting in a single giant company making a lot of money from recordings without paying the performers.
The second is: what is the effect of production and distribution of porn, on those producing it, consuming it, and third parties? This was a huge issue for feminism in the late 70s and early 80s, with Camille Paglia on the pro side and Andrea Dworkin on the anti side. It has still not been resolved. It's a huge and complex question, and the answer almost certainly depends on the details of the content.
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#26>Perhaps the most volatile question: does widely available free porn encourage “incels,” the latest boogeymen from the Internet, and the calls for “enforced monogamy” from e.g. blowhard academics who people inexplicably take serious? In a world where objective journalism doesn’t pay, does every site become Vice?
>”enforced monogamy” from e.g. blowhard academics Are academics advocating wholesale monogamy? That’s usually the field of organized religion.
Emphasis on "blowhard"
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#27Earlier quoted context omitted.
That would just be monogamy. The thing people are calling stupid is the idea that low status men should be assigned wives forcefully to prevent them from being sad, which is what some people have actually proposed.
> the idea that low status men should be assigned wives forcefully to prevent them from being sad, which is what some people have actually proposed. Who proposed that?
Some articles that explain the background:
https://www.macleans.ca/opinion/the-context-of-jordan-peters...
also
http://www.gq-magazine.co.uk/article/incel-meaning-explained
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#28> Did you know that teens are having substantially less sex than the previous few generations? It’s true! And generally interpreted as a good thing. But Ronson suggests that this is in large part because porn is replacing sex, and, in fact, making real sex with real woman seem alienating and difficult. Further down the author specifically mentions the correlation/causality fallacy but there are surely other explanati…
There’s also been a shift due to online and apps that give women an unlimited choice of men while giving the majority of men nearly no choice — the dating world for most men has become a lot more difficult over the last couple of years.
I see my male friends really struggle and I see my female friends have unlimited options.
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#29From the site here in GDPR-land: "Select 'OK' to continue using our products, otherwise, you will not be able to access our sites and apps." Looks like I'm not reading this then.
With uMatrix installed there's no redirection. You should give it a try, makes surfing the web a lot easier.
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#30Earlier quoted context omitted.
That would just be monogamy. The thing people are calling stupid is the idea that low status men should be assigned wives forcefully to prevent them from being sad, which is what some people have actually proposed.
> the idea that low status men should be assigned wives forcefully to prevent them from being sad, which is what some people have actually proposed. Who proposed that?
GP may refer to poor sources such as https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=EkMNXGvzdLw