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Re: Pornography and the Butterfly Effect

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Post by damagednoob » Sun, May 27, 2018, 3:10 PM UTC

> Did you know that teens are having substantially less sex than the previous few generations? It’s true! And generally interpreted as a good thing. But Ronson suggests that this is in large part because porn is replacing sex, and, in fact, making real sex with real woman seem alienating and difficult.

Further down the author specifically mentions the correlation/causality fallacy but there are surely other explanations for this. The rise of cheap entertainment in the form of online gaming or Netflix come readily to mind.

Re: Pornography and the Butterfly Effect

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Post by maxerickson » Sun, May 27, 2018, 3:11 PM UTC

unethical_ban wrote: post #4

danharaj wrote: post #3

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Do you want to elaborate?

Rarely would a non-op-ed refer to a group holding an opinion has blowhards that some people inexplicably take seriously. The New York Times does profiles on White Supremacists that have more respectful tones than this.

That's a reference to a particular person not a group.

Re: Pornography and the Butterfly Effect

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Post by cm2012 » Sun, May 27, 2018, 3:12 PM UTC

barkingtoad wrote: post #7

emsy wrote: post #2

>Perhaps the most volatile question: does widely available free porn encourage “incels,” the latest boogeymen from the Internet, and the calls for “enforced monogamy” from e.g. blowhard academics who people inexplicably take serious? In a world where objective journalism doesn’t pay, does every site become Vice?

Enforced monogamy, i.e., marriage

That would just be monogamy. The thing people are calling stupid is the idea that low status men should be assigned wives forcefully to prevent them from being sad, which is what some people have actually proposed.

Re: Pornography and the Butterfly Effect

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Post by erric » Sun, May 27, 2018, 3:12 PM UTC

emsy wrote: post #2

>Perhaps the most volatile question: does widely available free porn encourage “incels,” the latest boogeymen from the Internet, and the calls for “enforced monogamy” from e.g. blowhard academics who people inexplicably take serious? In a world where objective journalism doesn’t pay, does every site become Vice?

>”enforced monogamy” from e.g. blowhard academics

Are academics advocating wholesale monogamy? That’s usually the field of organized religion.

Re: Pornography and the Butterfly Effect

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Post by jjevanoorschot » Sun, May 27, 2018, 3:13 PM UTC

erric wrote: post #14

emsy wrote: post #2

>Perhaps the most volatile question: does widely available free porn encourage “incels,” the latest boogeymen from the Internet, and the calls for “enforced monogamy” from e.g. blowhard academics who people inexplicably take serious? In a world where objective journalism doesn’t pay, does every site become Vice?

>”enforced monogamy” from e.g. blowhard academics Are academics advocating wholesale monogamy? That’s usually the field of organized religion.

Jordan Peterson said this in a recent interview.

Re: Pornography and the Butterfly Effect

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Post by erric » Sun, May 27, 2018, 3:14 PM UTC

StavrosK wrote: post #6

PKop wrote: post #5

Here's an enlightening video on the detrimental effects of porn on the brain. Porn addiction shows similar effects as opiates. https://youtu.be/wSF82AwSDiU Related: "NoFap" https://www.reddit.com/r/NoFap/

"the detrimental effects of addiction on the brain", you mean.

Right. Everything is fine in moderation.

Re: Pornography and the Butterfly Effect

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Post by knuththetruth » Sun, May 27, 2018, 3:16 PM UTC

erric wrote: post #14

emsy wrote: post #2

>Perhaps the most volatile question: does widely available free porn encourage “incels,” the latest boogeymen from the Internet, and the calls for “enforced monogamy” from e.g. blowhard academics who people inexplicably take serious? In a world where objective journalism doesn’t pay, does every site become Vice?

>”enforced monogamy” from e.g. blowhard academics Are academics advocating wholesale monogamy? That’s usually the field of organized religion.

Jordan Peterson did in a recent interview. Although he’s a university professor, it’s probably unfair to paint him as an academic when he’s devolved into a transparent charlatan.

Re: Pornography and the Butterfly Effect

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Post by _b8r0 » Sun, May 27, 2018, 3:16 PM UTC

From the site here in GDPR-land:

"Select 'OK' to continue using our products, otherwise, you will not be able to access our sites and apps."

Looks like I'm not reading this then.

Re: Pornography and the Butterfly Effect

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Post by mundo » Sun, May 27, 2018, 3:16 PM UTC

cm2012 wrote: post #13

barkingtoad wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Enforced monogamy, i.e., marriage

That would just be monogamy. The thing people are calling stupid is the idea that low status men should be assigned wives forcefully to prevent them from being sad, which is what some people have actually proposed.

> the idea that low status men should be assigned wives forcefully to prevent them from being sad, which is what some people have actually proposed.

Who proposed that?

Re: Pornography and the Butterfly Effect

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Post by emsy » Sun, May 27, 2018, 3:16 PM UTC

cm2012 wrote: post #13

barkingtoad wrote: post #7

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Enforced monogamy, i.e., marriage

That would just be monogamy. The thing people are calling stupid is the idea that low status men should be assigned wives forcefully to prevent them from being sad, which is what some people have actually proposed.

It's pretty clear that TC is alluding to Jordan Peterson. When I read the enforced monogamy headline I thought that's an incredibly stupid thing for him to say, only to find out that (surprise, surprise) it was taken out of context. What he actually said can still be criticized, but isn't even worth a headline.