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Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Post by emilfihlman »

raverbashing wrote: post #801
eli wrote: post #633

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's reassuring to hear that the GDPR is not meant to target little startups and projects but I would like it a lot better if it said that in the actual law, rather than just trusting all current and future regulators to treat me kindly. If it's only meant to be used against big companies or extreme offenders, why doesn't it say so? It seems like the spirit of the law and the language of the law are not aligned and i…

> If it's only meant to be used against big companies or extreme offenders, why doesn't it say so? Because, and this has been repeated millions of times on HN, Europe and the US follow different systems in writing laws

Perhaps we should then take some lessons from how they in USA write laws.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Post by tripzilch »

jeremyt wrote: post #479

I’ve been reading hacker news for about a decade, and it’s getting to the point where I don’t think there are many entrepreneurs and/or technical people on here anymore. The number of people who are saying it’s no big deal to comply with this huge law, especially for very small startups, is mind boggling. Let’s just take one feature: the requirement that you can permanently delete all of your information. Most early-…

> Do you have any idea how much it would cost to have “your lawyers” go through the GDPR, tell you what you need to do, and deal with all of the edge cases and gray areas? $20k or $30k doesn’t seem too high.

The worst thing is those who can afford the $300k lawyers to get away with doing whatever to my privacy.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Post by Ar-Curunir »

emilfihlman wrote: post #931
raverbashing wrote: post #801

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> If it's only meant to be used against big companies or extreme offenders, why doesn't it say so? Because, and this has been repeated millions of times on HN, Europe and the US follow different systems in writing laws

Perhaps we should then take some lessons from how they in USA write laws.

Lol hell no, the US is horrible at writing laws that are good for the common person. I'd rather trust the the EU with its clumsy but well-intentioned laws over the USA's malicious, designed-by-companies laws

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Post by tripzilch »

baby wrote: post #897
auganov wrote: post #881

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This culture has driven innovation of the last 2 decades. You can't point me to one other industry which enjoyed as much success. Of course, Europe couldn't care less - they never had a real startup industry in the first place.

driving innovation while having the biggest number of homeless people in the streets and no health care.

the land of the 98% free!

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Post by teddyh »

jakeogh wrote: post #927
teddyh wrote: post #919

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It isn’t just to limit page size, it also works as a damper on heated discussions, as most people won’t read more than the first page, but comparatively few people stop reading in the middle of a page, regardless of length.

I figured that, but I didn't want to make such an embarrassing assumption about what purports to be a reliable tech discussion site. Especially when I noticed new comments automatically went to page >1. Sad, but hey, it's HN's property.

The position of new comment apparently depends on the commenter’s “karma”.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Post by rhapsodic »

beojan wrote: post #865
eli wrote: post #633

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's reassuring to hear that the GDPR is not meant to target little startups and projects but I would like it a lot better if it said that in the actual law, rather than just trusting all current and future regulators to treat me kindly. If it's only meant to be used against big companies or extreme offenders, why doesn't it say so? It seems like the spirit of the law and the language of the law are not aligned and i…

Because if your business model is based on selling user data, it doesn't matter if you're a small startup, it absolutely is meant to target you. If you aren't competent at responsibly handling personal data and you want to build a project or startup, pick one that doesn't handle personal data, or put in the effort to learn how to do things properly.

>If you aren't competent at responsibly handling personal data and you want to build a project or startup, pick one that doesn't handle personal data, or put in the effort to learn how to do things properly.

Or, alternatively, just don't do business where it would put you under the jurisdiction of the GDPR. That's what a lot of companies are doing, and there seems to be a lot of resentment over it.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Post by jakeogh »

teddyh wrote: post #935
jakeogh wrote: post #927

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I figured that, but I didn't want to make such an embarrassing assumption about what purports to be a reliable tech discussion site. Especially when I noticed new comments automatically went to page >1. Sad, but hey, it's HN's property.

The position of new comment apparently depends on the commenter’s “karma”.

Normally, they appear top for a few seconds, but I understand the alg that takes karma into account, maybe it changed a bit. If it's a thread split into pages...

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Post by SuperNinKenDo »

baby wrote: post #897
auganov wrote: post #881

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This culture has driven innovation of the last 2 decades. You can't point me to one other industry which enjoyed as much success. Of course, Europe couldn't care less - they never had a real startup industry in the first place.

driving innovation while having the biggest number of homeless people in the streets and no health care.

Not even close[0]

There is healthcare in America[1]

[0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_homeless_...

[1] Doesn't actually need a source

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Post by ahallock »

jeremyt wrote: post #479

I’ve been reading hacker news for about a decade, and it’s getting to the point where I don’t think there are many entrepreneurs and/or technical people on here anymore. The number of people who are saying it’s no big deal to comply with this huge law, especially for very small startups, is mind boggling. Let’s just take one feature: the requirement that you can permanently delete all of your information. Most early-…

Regulations absolutely raise the bar for new companies and give an unfair advantage to established companies who can afford the legal costs and additional staff. If I were a strategist for a large corporation, I would push for regulations that would hurt smaller competition.

Startups that specialize in easing the pain of compliance do help. I recently had to implement tax collection in an app and a third-party API saved me a lot of work. However, it was still a drain on resources and took over a month to implement and test.

I don't know a lot about GDPR, but the requirement to permanently delete all your information is absurd, especially if you need that information for a legal context. What if a customer sues you years later and you've deleted all their information? I don't get it.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Post by philjohn »

Hermel wrote: post #730
yzmtf2008 wrote: post #512

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The problem isn’t so much as there’s a cost to implementing GDPR, but that the tech community has been “move fast and break things” and refused to handle things properly before. If all you do about my PII is “set delete = 1” (which one could argue isn’t even the best practice in every scenario), then I probably don’t want you to handle my PII at all. To your example, you could easily not switch to a CASCADE, but inst…

> If all you do about my PII is “set delete = 1” (which one could argue isn’t even the best practice in every scenario), then I probably don’t want you to handle my PII at all. Are you aware that setting “delete=1” is essentially what file systems do when deleting a file? What file system do you suggest companies to use when they want to comply with GDPR?

Totally different. deleted=1 would be like adding a tag to a file saying "hey, this file is deleted" and never doing anything again.

A filesystem will remove the entry pointing to the data on disk, and mark that region as free and ready to be reused - and it will get overwritten.

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