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Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Post by sequoia »

jeremyt wrote: post #479

I’ve been reading hacker news for about a decade, and it’s getting to the point where I don’t think there are many entrepreneurs and/or technical people on here anymore. The number of people who are saying it’s no big deal to comply with this huge law, especially for very small startups, is mind boggling. Let’s just take one feature: the requirement that you can permanently delete all of your information. Most early-…

I disagree strongly. "...cascade delete is only easy if you’re a very experienced programmer or who knows what he’s [sic] doing." No it's not. Nothing could be easier than foreign key constraints & cascade deletes in a relational database. It's literally "built in."

If you're a garage-startup, you're unlikely to be slapped with fines under GDPR. Let's be honest- if you're a garage startup you're lucky to be noticed by anyone, much less European regulators. The argument expressed here is sleight of hand: complaining about the supposed impact on "the little guy" when the regulations themselves are designed to target Facebook & Google (among others) specifically.

The regulations are not that complex, they just require a new standard of respect for users, one that we should have always had as an industry. The fact that we had to wait for regulators to force this on us is our shame, no one else's.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Post by wierd0 »

All of a sudden HN has divided into EU vs US on basic human rights? This seems odd. I don't think you guys really think there is anything wrong with GDPR, not in its implementation nor in its sentiment. I really don't. The reason you are whining like crazy though is because you are in a project where the deadline/budget did not take into account this new EU law.

Hey, blame the ones who planned your project, not the EU.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Post by gkya »

jeremyt wrote: post #546
ACow_Adonis wrote: post #514

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Clearly you have a different definition of entrepreneurs/technical people than I do. Those seems like impositions on people who implement bad practice or work in fields that have morally questionable practices regarding people's data and identification. Many people I know don't engage or work in such industries because of the moral implications of doing so and what people are doing with data. Its not about "just ask…

Again, I was in my early 20s and fresh out of college. I had no idea what I was doing. It’s not that I was trying to cut ethical corners or do things poorly, I just didn’t know what the right way to do things was. Computer science education is often very theoretical and high level and not at all practical . I’ll be the first person to say that I was not the most experienced and or talented programmer in the world, bu…

> I’ll be the first person to say that I was not the most experienced and or talented programmer in the world, but do we want to prevent such people from starting companies?

Yes. You should be fine as long as you're not collecting anybody's data or potentially harming them in any way, but apart from that, there should be established a bar to entry to what has become the fundamental motor of almost every single thing on the earth.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Post by sequoia »

Crocodile tears. After facebook, google, cambridge analytica etc. screwing us all six ways to Sunday, nothing makes me happier than to see greedy inconsiderate techie "entrepreneurs" kick and scream and cry at regulators (read: voters) bringing the hammer down. If you didn't want regulators involved, maybe don't treat users like human garbage? You/we brought this on ourselves. There is a new Constable in town. Now put on your big girl/boy panties and deal with it.

Or is handling user data responsibly one of the new "three greatest challenges in computer science"?

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Post by hawkice »

gkya wrote: post #780
hawkice wrote: post #643

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Regular database backups are a bad practice?

Keeping a backup from a year ago when three backups from yesterday are available, is.

I mean, I see the general wisdom of what you're saying, but I think older backups are still good practice. I've seen it take almost a week for a data corruption issue to be noticed. Not crazy to think it'd take even longer, sometimes.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Post by realusername »

ng12 wrote: post #610
Barrin92 wrote: post #550

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Tired of the eternal startup excuse to justify bad behaviour when it comes to protection of consumer privacy. If it is impossible for some startups to respect strong privacy practices maybe we simply don't need those startups. This 'startupism' is almost an ideology. No mechanical engineer would complain about safety regulation just because it means that they cannot start a business in their garage. In other industri…

Here's a thought: regulation like this is, along with the heavy-handed ideology that lead to it, is the reason why the EU is still lagging regarding technical innovation. I think this attitude is the primary reason Silicon Valley took hold in the USA and that the EU has nothing comparable. If the EU wants to legislate itself out of the future they're more than welcome to do so -- and I applaud every site who makes th…

GDPR only has an effect starting from yesterday, I highly doubt it had a retroactive effect up to the early 2000's to wipe out EU startups, that point is moot.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Post by MikkoFinell »

jeremyt wrote: post #479

I’ve been reading hacker news for about a decade, and it’s getting to the point where I don’t think there are many entrepreneurs and/or technical people on here anymore. The number of people who are saying it’s no big deal to comply with this huge law, especially for very small startups, is mind boggling. Let’s just take one feature: the requirement that you can permanently delete all of your information. Most early-…

I'm so so sorry that my right to privacy is inconvenient for you.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Post by sequoia »

baryphonic wrote: post #752
jeremyt wrote: post #479

I’ve been reading hacker news for about a decade, and it’s getting to the point where I don’t think there are many entrepreneurs and/or technical people on here anymore. The number of people who are saying it’s no big deal to comply with this huge law, especially for very small startups, is mind boggling. Let’s just take one feature: the requirement that you can permanently delete all of your information. Most early-…

I've been wondering the same thing. Maybe the true hacker spirit is dead. I just want to roll my eyes when I see comments to the effect of, "Oh, it's so simple, just read the 80+ pages! The language is clear and straightforward, we promise! Also, you should have separated duties, full CI/CD that sanitizes any possible user data from leaving its hermetically sealed tier, and delete data early and often. If you don't,…

"The hacker spirit" was NEVER about harvesting user data so you could sell it to advertisers. Bite your tongue.

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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Post by stale2002 »

takeitto wrote: post #417
guelo wrote: post #375

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> ban on EU IPs is both draconic and ineffective It doesn't matter it's ineffective. The block means they're complying with GDPR's requirement that they not target Europeans.

But they still process European user data if they do not block my IP. So they are not complying at all with GDPR's main requirement, just a poorly singled-out subclause.

You are breqking the computer fraud and abuse act by accessing someone else's computer without their permission,then.

This means that you should be criminally prosecuted by the US. The government sees this the same as hacking.

XD XD XD

Re: GDPR for lazy people: Block all European users with Cloudflare Workers

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