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Flipping the Metabolic Switch: Applying the Health Benefits of Fasting

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I become an asshole when I've cut most or all carbs. I don't know how to push through that.

Embrace it. Anger and hate burn more calories.

I lol'd, but I did notice (with some dismay, I should probably add) that I really get shit done when I get angry about it.

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I've had serious weight issues for my whole life, primarily due to my love of chocolate. As I approached 400 pounds, I took a hard look at myself and decided to make a change. For the past month (29 days now) I've been doing alternate-day fasting* where I eat about 2000-2500kcal on eat days and cap myself at about 100kcal of half-and-half with coffee on fast days (gotta get that joe). While a lot of it is no doubt no…

Would you be up for cutting out sugar for a while? It made a huge difference in my life, no longer crave sweets (chocolate).

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This is true. You should limit protein intake to 20 grams in 2hr period to avoid glyconeogenesis, which is the process your body uses to convert protein into glucose. This plus reducing net carbs to 20g or less per day should put you into nutritional ketosis within a week or two. Going keto makes fasting a lot easier. I typically fast between 8pm and noon and find it much much harder when I slip out of keto. If you k…

I get the impression that people think I'm in search of advice here. I'm about half the bodyweight where I started and have been in this range for years now. I don't know what my body fat % is, but an ultrasound tech called me "skinny" when I was 15lbs up from here so it's probably pretty low. Keto is like some kind of religion with fitness people. My personal opinion is that people use it as an excuse to eat pounds…

Didn't mean to come off as some kind of zealot for keto. For me it's a tool. It has downsides. Your muscles need glycogen to perform at their peak, so you lose strength on keto vs a balanced diet with carbs. Also, I'd never recommend taking the "bacon and cheese" approach to keto. There are much healthier fats to consume and they won't leave you feeling like crap.

Anyhow, was just trying to share some knowledge not give advice. Everyone is different when it comes to preferences but the satiating effects of fat and protein are pretty well studied.

Re: Flipping the Metabolic Switch: Applying the Health Benefits of Fasting

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I've been experimenting with water fasting, intermittent fasting, and calorie restriction for over two years with good results. I gradually went from an "obese" BMI to normal, and reduced the symptoms of some medical conditions, especially after 3-5 day water fasts. I think that if one is going to restrict calories, it's a good idea to eat a high-nutrient diet. Mine is mostly vegan + fish, and based on vegetables, le…

Please note: dry fasting is incredibly dangerous and one will struggle to find non-crackpot sources that say humans should attempt it for any reason. Healthy people can survive a month or more without food. Without food AND water they last less than a handful of days.

Re: Flipping the Metabolic Switch: Applying the Health Benefits of Fasting

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I just listened to The Obesity Code by Jason Fung and my mind is kinda blown. Everyone you've said matches what the book covers. The takeaway points are: - Raised insulin is the key driver in weight by preventing the burning of fat and triggers the storage to fat. Insulin is the hormone that tells allows cells to absorb glucose - Type 2 diabetes is caused by insulin resistance, which happens over years of prolonged p…

> Sugars and carbohydrates do not trigger the hormone that says we're full when compared It's important to note the difference between refined sugars (candy) and natural sugars (fruits). Refined sugars are basically fructose (hello High Fructose Corn Syrup). Refined sugars -- super hella bad. When you eat the refined sugars, your liver actually traps the ATP, blocking the pathway to the brain, making you still feel h…

Fructose "fruit sugar" is so named due to its occurrence in fruit. Check this[0] list to see the fructose content of various fruits.

Lustig[1] says the reason naturally occurring fructose is not as harmful as industrial fructose is that fruit also contains fiber, which slows down the absorption of fructose.

[0] https://thepaleodiet.com/fruits-and-sugars/ [1] https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dBnniua6-oM

Re: Flipping the Metabolic Switch: Applying the Health Benefits of Fasting

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I'd be curious to hear more about what you experienced during your keto flu

I'm 6 weeks into a keto diet, haven't been over 20g of carbs a day throughout. Sleep is much deeper, but I feel I need to sleep longer. First few weeks (in particular) I had to drop my weight amounts in the gym and found (fighting in) martial arts I tired quicker. Helped this with BCAAs and cream in my coffee prior to exercise (prior to this, my first meal wouldn't be until ~2pm and I'd exercise in the morning fasted…

Keto is not exactly compatible with anaerobic exercise. If you're lifting or performing a mix of aerobic and anaerobic (e.g. running / sprinting intervals), your muscles still need some glucose. I'd suggest checking out the cycling ketogenic diet (carb cycling) - it will allow you to refuel your muscles' glycogen stores, allowing anaerobic exercise (weight lifting, etc) while maintaining ketosis 99% of the time (staying lean). Also check out alpha lipoic acid supplements, it will increase the ratio of glucose provided to your muscles vs fat storage during your carb load. Go get ripped :)

Keto and IF can be very dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. I'd suggest getting regular blood testing with your doctor while adjusting and figuring out your routine and meal plans.

Re: Flipping the Metabolic Switch: Applying the Health Benefits of Fasting

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Sounds great, but is this compatible with: - bodybuilding - 20 miles daily commute by bicycle - intellectually intense work, e.g. hackathons ?

My longest stretch of keto (and lots of IF) was about a year. I lost around 100lbs. During that time, I rode a bit over 3000 miles on my bicycle, longest ride was 120 miles in a day (purely fueled by keto, coffee, and water - do not do this unless you have supervision by a medical professional). Keto is well known by some ultra-marathoner (insane people) buddies of mine.

Being in the ketosis state is amazing for intellectually intense work.

Regarding bodybuilding, I will copy and paste a reply of mine from another comment:

Keto is not exactly compatible with anaerobic exercise. If you're lifting or performing a mix of aerobic and anaerobic (e.g. running / sprinting intervals), your muscles still need some glucose. I'd suggest checking out the cycling ketogenic diet (carb cycling) - it will allow you to refuel your muscles' glycogen stores, allowing anaerobic exercise (weight lifting, etc) while maintaining ketosis 99% of the time (staying lean). Also check out alpha lipoic acid supplements, it will increase the ratio of glucose provided to your muscles vs fat storage during your carb load. Go get ripped :)

Keto and IF can be very dangerous if you don't know what you're doing. I'd suggest getting regular blood testing with your doctor while adjusting and figuring out your routine and meal plans.

Re: Flipping the Metabolic Switch: Applying the Health Benefits of Fasting

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Like many programmers, especially us older folks, I've struggled with my weight my entire life. Three weeks ago I went on a ketogenic diet. This week I've added intermittent fasting, only eating between noon and six. After the "keto flu" period ended, it's been quite enjoyable. The IF comes quite naturally and is painless. I'm not one to spot diet trends, but my intuition says that keto/IF will be a big thing over th…

Let's not lump keto and IF together... IF from what I understand has more substantial as well as proven health benefits (related to stem cells, celluar autophagy, etc.). Whereas keto cannot make the same kind of claims; if you just keep your carbs relatively low you'll probably achieve a similar effect as keto.

Right. Fasting is not a diet. "Keto" (i.e. Ketogenic Diet) is a diet. Both promote ketosis. Keto just promotes ketosis while sustaining life :)

Re: Flipping the Metabolic Switch: Applying the Health Benefits of Fasting

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Sounds great, but is this compatible with: - bodybuilding - 20 miles daily commute by bicycle - intellectually intense work, e.g. hackathons ?

Yes. Your liver glycogen and muscle glycogen will be fine. Your body can convert protein to glucose when it is needed and use ketones for everything else.

you NEVER want your body to convert protein to glucose. it's your body's last resort of energy and is very destructive.

Re: Flipping the Metabolic Switch: Applying the Health Benefits of Fasting

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I've been experimenting with water fasting, intermittent fasting, and calorie restriction for over two years with good results. I gradually went from an "obese" BMI to normal, and reduced the symptoms of some medical conditions, especially after 3-5 day water fasts. I think that if one is going to restrict calories, it's a good idea to eat a high-nutrient diet. Mine is mostly vegan + fish, and based on vegetables, le…

Please note: dry fasting is incredibly dangerous and one will struggle to find non-crackpot sources that say humans should attempt it for any reason. Healthy people can survive a month or more without food. Without food AND water they last less than a handful of days.

I've never dry fasted and never would. It sounds like a terrible idea.

I try to drink at least three liters of water per day while fasting.

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