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Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by staticassertion »

repolfx wrote: post #404
kazagistar wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Part of the reason for the failure of those other models is their need to compete with an exploitative ad driven model. When you remove the lowest common denominator, you make it is easier for the market to accomplish something better.

I've never felt exploited by advertisers. Nor do most other people, otherwise they would keep their internet usage to a minimum when what we see is the exact opposite. Please stop attacking services and sites that hundreds of millions or billions of people find useful because of your own over the top histrionics.

Most users on the internet are completely incapable of understanding what tracking even means. Those users, therefor, can not consent to that tracking in an informed way.

Those users need to be protected.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by wilsonnb »

voidr wrote: post #257
rdlecler1 wrote: post #206

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You assume that just because someone doesn’t want to got through all the hassle of being GDPR compliant that the website is somehow bad? Among other things this includes setting up an EU represeneitive—a high bar for a free product..... Obviously you haven’t had to deal with GDPR compliance.

> You assume that just because someone doesn’t want to got through all the hassle of being GDPR compliant that the website is somehow bad? If they are not collecting any personal data, there is no hassle. Do you think it's somehow bad for a car manufacturer to not want to go through the hassle of making their cars conform to the safety standards? > Among other things this includes setting up an EU represeneitive Cita…

> Do you think it's somehow bad for a car manufacturer to not want to go through the hassle of making their cars conform to the safety standards?

Ah yes, the old "all regulations are equal" argument. It should come as no surprise to you that people view safety regulations on automobiles as vastly different than regulations on what a company can do with data about you.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by beevai142 »

repolfx wrote: post #416
elorant wrote: post #117

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By hosting non-tracking ads. Like they used to be before Google started this whole profiling menace.

Did you use the internet back then? Do you remember what online ads were like before AdSense? My god. They sucked so hard! AdSense was a revolution.

I have used an ad blocker for the last 10+ years. I don't know how Adsense has improved my internet experience, and I suspect it has had no effect.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by majewsky »

oaiey wrote: post #365
cortesoft wrote: post #294

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If your startup doesn’t have any business in the EU, they can’t go after you.

"Business" means website visit from a US/EU citizen travelling Europe. And even blocking them by IP and logging it is a violation. User can file a complaint against you, resulting in a ruling. Whether you ever see an "invoice" or see police officers is another topic. But you violate the regulation/law in another country.

Blocking by IP is okay, logging it is the only violation. And why on earth would you have to log those blocks?

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by downandout »

flohofwoe wrote: post #48

Alternatively there's this: https://eu.usatoday.com/ No ads, no tracking, no cookies, not even Javascript. Just plain HTML+CSS and JPEG images. The whole front page is around 650 KByte, and by far most of this is in the image files. As a result the page looks very clean and loads very fast. This is what all news web sites should look like, not just for EU readers (although I fear that this is just a temporary solutio…

Glad you like the ad-free, high quality content. How would you like to pay for that?

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by ryanwaggoner »

mrtksn wrote: post #462
ryanwaggoner wrote: post #445

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So, do you say that EU businesses should be able to operate in the USA but according to the EU laws and without any consideration to the US laws? If by "operate in the US" you mean that they are based in the EU and allow US residents to visit their website and purchase from them, then yes, absolutely. Why would it be any other way? I just don't see how the alternative works at all. Why couldn't some city in France pa…

Well, "HQ based law" not the case and it's a much larger discussion that doesn't have anything to do with the GDPR or EU. The USA too is going after foreign companies doing business with Iran or Cuba. The USA is not happy with cryptocurrency ICO's and it's enforcing it. The USA is forcing the world to respect DMCA. The taxes are also an issue, even within the USA doe to different VAT in different states. These are to…

You don't have to convince me that the US tramples on the sovereign rights of other countries just because it can.

The tax situation is a good example. Historically, sales tax has not been able to be levied by states against companies just because they have customers in that state. They have to have physical "nexus" in that state as well. There are a number of states trying to do an end run around that right now with "economic nexus", which will probably end up in the Supreme Court at some point.

Many countries try to say that VAT is due, but their ability to enforce is pretty limited. If you run a small business online and you WANT to pay attention to every single global tax jurisdiction and send them whatever tax they say is due, go for it. But if you don't, the practical reality is that there's nothing they can currently do about it.

I do agree that these issues are complicated and that the Internet has thrown a monkey wrench in a LOT of legal precedent in ways that will need to be sorted out.

I just don't think the GDPR is the right framework. Data privacy may be a human right, but so is democratic representation, and having governments all over the world pass laws that they say apply to my company is unjust.

EDIT: looks like economic nexus is being decided now: https://www.journalofaccountancy.com/news/2018/apr/supreme-c...

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by majewsky »

ryanwaggoner wrote: post #371
malka wrote: post #221

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Good. if you do not value my privacy, I dont want you to do business here. another product will replace your own. And in all likeness an EU one, meaning less euros leaving the eurozone. I'm all for it.

if you do not value my privacy False equivalence. You can do nothing untoward with user data and still not be compliant.

How so?

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by jimmaswell »

openIce wrote: post #487
jimmaswell wrote: post #473

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Exactly. The most basic/outrageous example: anyone in the EU who installs Apache and leaves it in its default configuration which logs all page visits indefinitely is now a criminal. Spin up a DO/Linode/etc. instance and apt-get install apache2? You're now theoretically liable for a 20 million Euro fine.

This is the most retarded comment I have read today. Literally everything you say is false

Are you disputing that GDPR disallows you from retaining visitor IPs, especially without explicit consent?

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by taysic »

krisdol wrote: post #348
paulddraper wrote: post #296

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> telecom > unregulated US On the contrary, telecoms are very much regulated in the US. There is an entire commission for regulating radio/television/cable communications: the FCC. I could hardly choose a more regulated industry than telecommunications.

The US has a problem of private industry infiltrating and co-opting government, and people largely normalizing it. The landscape for telecoms is simultaneously over-regulated with respect to allowing room for new players to enter the market, and under-regulated with respect to consumer rights. US regulations favor monopolies, and monopolies abuse their influence on regulatory boards to shut out new competition. Regul…

This is not an issue exclusive to the US. Simply look at all the back room sweetheart tax deals made in the EU with government officials.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Post by rock_hard »

fixermark wrote: post #449
maushu wrote: post #320

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I was surprised when my adblocker didn't bleep once. This is like looking what the internet could be. It could've been great.

Of course, that vision of what the internet could be never really answered the question of where the money was coming from to pay for the servers that are delivering that content.

Or how to pay the people who create the content
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