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Apple's 7nm A12 chip could be the best feature in the 2018 iPhones

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Re: Apple's 7nm A12 chip could be the best feature in the 2018 iPhones

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>Apple chips famously have Imagination GPUs Not anymore, Apple switched to in-house GPUs recently.

That makes it worse? The Imagination crap is shipped on Android phones, too, so there are at least vendor kernel drops to work from.

The vendor kernels are worthless, tainted, piles of crap. Vendors rarely, if ever, maintain them once they are posted publicly. The GPU still requires proprietary blobs to be even remotely useful.

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Also, they're literally the developers for the mobile platform. iOS has a very long way to go before you can develop on it.

Not really. The main issue is software. Add a Bluetooth keyboard and you can code just fine on iOS. The problem is that there are no native tools for it (that we have access to). That’s actually a very minor hurdle, not a long way at all.

Lacking multitasking is a productivity killer for a developer, typically juggling multiple balls at once.

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I wish Apple would make a sort of Raspberry Pi like board with an A series chip, ethernet, HDMI, GPIO, SD Card, etc... for $50-$100 that runs Linux. I would also like a flying unicorn. Seriously, a high power SBC at a reasonable price point would be insanely useful for projects like portable MAME cabinets, video transcoders, scene displays, etc... I love the Pi but it's so old tech, especially the video cores, that i…

Worse is the array of smart devices that are forced to use Android type hardware / Android OS. Looking at the Peloton cycle I have specifically which clearly runs Android OS. Could be so much better if it was on faster hardware / could link up to Apple Watch for stats.

Make a version of iOS that companies can build off of; maintain the OS patch cycles but let them put their own app / front end on it.

Tons of smart devices exist now a days; TVs, refrigerators, bikes, etc... There's a market for an Apple based system for sure.

But yes - I'll taking a flying unicorn also in the interim.

Re: Apple's 7nm A12 chip could be the best feature in the 2018 iPhones

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Also, they're literally the developers for the mobile platform. iOS has a very long way to go before you can develop on it.

iOS is not particularly different from OSX. That's why Apple developers get to use a super fast simulator instead of the dog slow emulator we Android developers are stuck with.

Except in multitasking UX. Yes, technically there isn't anything stopping you from running a compiler on iOS, but there's so much more to having a relevant development platform than "does llvm technically run".

Re: Apple's 7nm A12 chip could be the best feature in the 2018 iPhones

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That makes it worse? The Imagination crap is shipped on Android phones, too, so there are at least vendor kernel drops to work from.

The vendor kernels are worthless, tainted, piles of crap. Vendors rarely, if ever, maintain them once they are posted publicly. The GPU still requires proprietary blobs to be even remotely useful.

Of course. But they contain non-zero amounts of information on the chip so you can do a proper implementation or, much less ambitious, update it for newer kernel versions.

Re: Apple's 7nm A12 chip could be the best feature in the 2018 iPhones

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post #39

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Apple chips famously have Imagination GPUs Not anymore, Apple switched to in-house GPUs recently.

That makes it worse? The Imagination crap is shipped on Android phones, too, so there are at least vendor kernel drops to work from.

The odds of Apple releasing a development ARM board is probably roughly equal to that of them releasing complete documentation and linux kernel driver support to go along with it.

Re: Apple's 7nm A12 chip could be the best feature in the 2018 iPhones

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The vendor kernels are worthless, tainted, piles of crap. Vendors rarely, if ever, maintain them once they are posted publicly. The GPU still requires proprietary blobs to be even remotely useful.

Of course. But they contain non-zero amounts of information on the chip so you can do a proper implementation or, much less ambitious, update it for newer kernel versions.

Not in my experience. The code in the kernel is usually just a shim for loading the blobs that do the real work.

Re: Apple's 7nm A12 chip could be the best feature in the 2018 iPhones

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also, they're literally the developers for the mobile platform. iOS has a very long way to go before you can develop on it.

Not really. The main issue is software. Add a Bluetooth keyboard and you can code just fine on iOS. The problem is that there are no native tools for it (that we have access to). That’s actually a very minor hurdle, not a long way at all.

iOS won’t ever be a development platform. That would necessitate bringing down the AppStore walled garden, which would be a very stupid move from Apple.

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I think it was, but if most people who use them for work are sticking keyboards back on them then it might make sense to offer a clamshell or hybrid design.

How about a DualPad - it's a clamshell with an upper and a lower iPad. When you separate them, they're just iPads, but when combined they become something more powerful with different features.

Sounds like something Asus would make... https://youtu.be/Z2ANnpHnUrc

Re: Apple's 7nm A12 chip could be the best feature in the 2018 iPhones

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I wish Apple would make a sort of Raspberry Pi like board with an A series chip, ethernet, HDMI, GPIO, SD Card, etc... for $50-$100 that runs Linux. I would also like a flying unicorn. Seriously, a high power SBC at a reasonable price point would be insanely useful for projects like portable MAME cabinets, video transcoders, scene displays, etc... I love the Pi but it's so old tech, especially the video cores, that i…

Worse is the array of smart devices that are forced to use Android type hardware / Android OS. Looking at the Peloton cycle I have specifically which clearly runs Android OS. Could be so much better if it was on faster hardware / could link up to Apple Watch for stats. Make a version of iOS that companies can build off of; maintain the OS patch cycles but let them put their own app / front end on it. Tons of smart de…

I would love this. They could also push swift with it, so I'm surprised they haven't done this already.
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