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Companies have had two years to get their act sorted out on this.

I can still purchase a "new" 2 year old phone. I think that is a valid question.

Well, think about cars and emission issues that need updates - manufacture does recalls and fixes it for everyone. Not sure what's different here? Why not just pull it from stores and fix it if its violating law?

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If companies successfully argue that maximising revenue is a legitimate interest and thus, don't need users consent, then the GPDR will worth less the paper it was written on. I would be extremely surprised if the EU goes through all this tome, effort, and money just to let corporations continue with business as usual

Eu cookie law is one prior example of this. That worked out to “business as usual” in the end, didn’t it?

Nope. It was a nice step that showed everyone how even the most unexpected website tracks you with some cookies.

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Agreed. As an American, reading the term rights associated with increased government control is nonsensical. I understand the European viewpoint, its just much different in America

> As an American, reading the term rights associated with increased government control is nonsensical. This is nonsensical. You can not have rights w/o government anyways. You may have privileges or power to force others to comply, but "rights" are defined by a third party entity that enforce them.

You have those backward. Natural rights, at least, are considered to exist before and outside of government. Enumerated rights may derive from government, as do privileges. The "lege" in privilege literally means "law".

Enumerated rights are the rights the GP was talking about. These are defined in law, though may derive from natural rights.

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You can disable Google's ad targeting at any time: https://adssettings.google.com/ You don't have to pay anything. What you get instead is untargeted ads, like ads for cars, potato chips, and shampoo, just like on TV. Personally I find those to be a lot more annoying. Facebook's ad targeting can be similarly disabled under https://www.facebook.com/ads/preferences/?entry_product=ad_s...

"What you get instead is untargeted ads, like ads for cars, potato chips, and shampoo, just like on TV. Personally I find those to be a lot more annoying." Really? I kind of despise the targeted Ads. They're typically poor quality, and often it's some website I visited months ago to look at one product constantly dangling that product in my face in a desperate attempt for me to come back and buy it. Show me the cars…

This is retargeting, and is pretty much the least sophisticated ad targeting out there.

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This is the crux of the problems with how companies are interpreting the GDPR. Every service I've seen with a privacy policy pop up within the last 24 hours has basically justified all of their current data collecting practices as being necessary for their business. The spirit of the GDPR is to improve privacy, not just make Terms of Service pages longer.

Actually the spirit of GDPR is also to make Terms of Service shorter by being clear and understandable. If you as a user is unable to understand what you are agreeing to then it is a violation of GDPR.

Theoretically yes. Practically you need to be rather verbose in certain cases (e.g. you need to specifically name which articles of the GDPR you're using to justify collection) while also being told to be concise. The general advice I've heard is to have a human-readable summary and then follow it up with the lawyer speak for compliance.

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> GDPR is not against the ad business Yet somehow, I doubt that GDPR would exist if Google and Facebook were German companies, rather than American ones.

Is that relevant in any way? And Germans are more privacy aware than Americans, for obvious historical reasons.

There's nothing inherently wrong with storing user data or using targeted advertising as long as it's not abused. Instead of outlawing only cases of abuse like any sensible law would do, the EU just chooses to throw the baby out with the bathwater because it's not their baby.

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Put simply: Americans prefer corporate overreach to government overreach. The latter is seen as only needed in extreme circumstances because there is often no going back. It's why you see hate for things like the cloud act and GDPR... it doesn't matter where they are enacted, some people don't want the government involved on these things at this point.

Genuine question: So Americans actually prefer the corporate Black Mirror-esque tracking and profiling that has become endemic and out of control over what I would consider a reasonable update to the old DPA? How is it overreach and how is it solved without regulation? Equally, how is there any going back from the corporate overreach without? Edit: typos.

You have deviated into the absolutist approach I mentioned before. You don't even have to do without regulation, just not more and larger. Among solutions there includes: education, enforcement of existing statutes, reduced scope legislation until enforcement catches up, promotion of alternative approaches, tacit support for technical defenses, etc, etc. There are so many more. Adopting this large sweeping legislation is a myopic approach taken by those who think they wield a toolbox with only one tool in it. Sometimes even, if the unfortunate choice is corporate or government overreach, we should not be so hasty to counteract the former with the latter. Work towards it.

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> This becomes an email address you truly own, and your email provider cannot hold you hostage anymore. It's hardly yours. Using a custom domain for anything sensitive like banking is not a good idea. Your registrar is almost certainly a lot easier to phish/social engineer/whatever than Google.

> Your registrar is almost certainly a lot easier to phish/social engineer/whatever than Google. Please don't spread unsourced FUD. I'm not saying registrars are perfect (although Gandi, which I linked, has an impeccable track record), but everyone uses registrars for their domain name, even the biggest businesses out there. If you have a problem with a particular registrar, I invite you to source it and share it. Bu…

> but everyone uses registrars for their domain name, even the biggest businesses out there.

Everyone uses registrars, but in some cases you can be your own registrar. Like in Finland, when .fi domain registrations were moved to exclusively to registrars (initially you would register domains with Finnish FCC equivalent, later option was added to let registrar handle that for you and finally it was moved to just registrars), quite a few companies and individuals registered to become registrar for .fi domain.

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As an American citizen I'm glad that GDPR exists. Our own government will never strongarm Big Tech into respecting their users - especially in this political climate - so I'm glad someone else is.

I think it is naive at best. To me, it's like the EU is a spoiled child who wants everything for free without paying for it. Most of the web is payed for by targeted advertising and getting rid of that would make the web suck as their would be way less money to actually pay for content. Also, non-targeted ads suck as they usually end up being like Viagra ads since they pay the most.

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