GDPR does not have the full force of law in Iceland but yet I am blocked. Not that I will miss those publications.
That's so strange, in Norway, I can still load LA Times.
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GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules
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#142On one hand I can understand why some orgs are having trouble with GDPR. On the other hand it’s pretty clear the actions of more than a few have gotten GDPR to where it is. My takeaway at the moment is something along the lines of this is why we can’t have nice things.
That's the takeaway I'm arriving at as well. We (as an industry) had about two decades to be responsible and hold others to account with user data online. Instead we opted to pretend like a weasely Terms of Service replaced a sense of morality.
Now we face regulation because, as it turns out, people care about how we use their data and how we influence them. Not exactly shocking that we ended up here.
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#143Honest hypothetical question... my website is in the US, my servers in the US, why would I care about the GDPR?
The US and EU have a good relationship. The EU can (probably will) use international law to hold you accountable and the US is likely to comply.
EDIT: you is the hypothetical you. If the EU targets you then they will use international law to do so.
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#144Blocking access at geographic level across pretty clear signal they don't care about users/readers in those regions (I think it's hard to argue otherwise, the law has been coming for 2 years). Obviously they cater to people interested in local news in those regions. However, I hope they will rectify and allow access again for EU users at some point soon. It seems to go against the idea of a borderless internet, and I…
Blocking access at geographic level across pretty clear signal they don't care about users/readers in those regions
They can't make money off of you because the ad networks can't operate, so all EU users are a cost.
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#145Shameless self-promoting an easy solution for your small site, if you too want to get rid of EU people: https://euroshield.xyz/
Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules
#146On one hand I can understand why some orgs are having trouble with GDPR. On the other hand it’s pretty clear the actions of more than a few have gotten GDPR to where it is. My takeaway at the moment is something along the lines of this is why we can’t have nice things.
Businesses had plenty of time to prepare for it though.
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#147Honest hypothetical question... my website is in the US, my servers in the US, why would I care about the GDPR?
Look at it this way: "my website is in the EU, my servers are in the EU, why would I care about DMCA?" The truth is that if a company had a way to discriminate their EU users without any possibility of failure they could only apply these things to them but that approach has proven to not be cost effective.
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#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This reads to me like a warmonger justifying innocent casualties. Surely you don't believe this only takes out the bad do you? How would it take out GDPR compliant websites? It they're not complaint, they're not exactly "innocent."
Because the risk and costs of compliance are borne by all, not just the non-compliant. I would hope that "but laws only affect the bad guys" or "if you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about" would no longer be reasonable arguments these days.
> Because the risk and costs of compliance are borne by all, not just the non-compliant. I would hope that "but laws only affect the bad guys" or "if you're doing nothing wrong you have nothing to worry about" would no longer be reasonable arguments these days.
That's like saying that drug regulations are bad, because all opiate producers take on "the risk and costs of compliance," not just the street pushers.
The whole point is to actually raise standards for all of society. What you're criticizing is enforcing higher standards than the current status quo.
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#149Honest hypothetical question... my website is in the US, my servers in the US, why would I care about the GDPR?
You shouldn't, unless you plan on doing business in the EU.
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#150I'm in the EU, and a couple of the corporate VPNs I have used here have had their exit IP in the U.S. or Canada. Which means that when I'm at work, I appear to be in Seattle, and these sites are not blocked. Based just on that, I'd argue that "Blocking 500M Users Easier Than Complying with GDPR" is probably not even a true statement. I doubt EU regulators will go after these sites because they really aren't that cons…
What exactly do you want here? Do you want every site to have you upload your passport? Or are you just saying that any jurisdiction in the world should be able to effectively force every company globally to comply with their laws, and that they can’t pull out of those markets if they find the law too onerous?
Forget about the intent of the GDPR, what about the broader principle when applied to laws you don’t like?
What if the US passes the anti-GDPR next week, that you MUST track all available data for US residents or citizens, no matter where in the world they are? What then?