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GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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Alternatively there's this: https://eu.usatoday.com/ No ads, no tracking, no cookies, not even Javascript. Just plain HTML+CSS and JPEG images. The whole front page is around 650 KByte, and by far most of this is in the image files. As a result the page looks very clean and loads very fast. This is what all news web sites should look like, not just for EU readers (although I fear that this is just a temporary solutio…

And how can be a business sustainable in this way?

Media businesses can introduce or grow subscription revenue, reducing reliance on ads.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

#102

Alternatively there's this: https://eu.usatoday.com/ No ads, no tracking, no cookies, not even Javascript. Just plain HTML+CSS and JPEG images. The whole front page is around 650 KByte, and by far most of this is in the image files. As a result the page looks very clean and loads very fast. This is what all news web sites should look like, not just for EU readers (although I fear that this is just a temporary solutio…

That looks fantastic, I would actually read USA Today if this lean site sticks around.

If they want to monetize, publishers should control their own generic ad inventory (like they used to in old pre internet days) and ask for opt-in if you want customization.

Easy on paper but hard in reality.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

#103
post #53

Alternatively there's this: https://eu.usatoday.com/ No ads, no tracking, no cookies, not even Javascript. Just plain HTML+CSS and JPEG images. The whole front page is around 650 KByte, and by far most of this is in the image files. As a result the page looks very clean and loads very fast. This is what all news web sites should look like, not just for EU readers (although I fear that this is just a temporary solutio…

And how can be a business sustainable in this way?

You can still have ads under GDPR. You can even continue to track people, you just have to ask consent and not doing it behind user’s back.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

#105
post #11

The response to GDPR is interesting. If they are handling and selling your data in ways that are not compatible with GDPR, then you should seriously consider using someone else for that information.

Essentially every publisher that integrates with google might be out of compliance with the GDPR. Until that gets sorted out lots of sites are going to start doing this out of desperation.

That and the facebook pixel.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

#106
post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is the EU, not the US. This law was specifically crafted to prevent the kind of reptilian behavior that you're describing here. I honestly (and perhaps naively) expect you to understand the source material a little bit better if you're going to make blanket statements about it here.

Always a good idea to include a personal attack in your comment, well done! Second, my point is not about what I'm doing but about what others will do. I have not and will not work for companies who base their business model on selling data without consent, ad networks or in duping people. I've declined several very lucrative CTO offers in large companies due to their privacy stand. Third, I'm for more data protectio…

Nowhere do I imply that you are exhibiting reptilian behaviour, I said that you are describing it. What you could take personally is that I said you should not talk about things which you do not understand (unless it is to ask questions, which I could have added), which doesn't sound at all unreasonable to me. Why you assume that was a personal attack is completely outside of how I can read my own comment.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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post #51

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The point is that, if I'm not making material money from EU residents today, it may be easier for me to just make it clear that I'm not trying to do business in the EU than figuring out if I need to do anything to become compliant. I may in fact be 100% compliant, but it may take effort to figure that out and there's potentially still some risk. Personally, I do no tracking on my sites so it's irrelevant to me but I…

This could definitely happen, but would not make sense for the Chicago Tribune and LA Times, which are big corporate entities united as subsidiaries of Tronc, Inc., and could even pool resources to have one compliance office among them from the parent company. For a large, well-capitalized company to make this choice, it’s an indication of a few possibilities: - Tronc doesn’t practice anything close to adequate IT pr…

It's likely that it's just side effect of months of institutional paralysis. The Chairman of Tronc stepped down earlier this year after allegations of misconduct and I believe they were negotiating the sale of the LA Times to an investor and the rest of the company to Softbank.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

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I am worried regulations will make the Internet more geographically fragmented. The best thing about the Internet is how it captures the long tail. A random person in Slovenia can read a local news site in Kansas if they wish. Even if spending just one minute of effort making itself available in Slovenia would be a loss for said news site. The Internet is by default global and everything is available to everyone. It takes extra effort to block regions, but I'm afraid regulations will make people spend that extra effort.

Re: GDPR: US news sites unavailable to EU users over data protection rules

#110
post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you're saying that if I block my site to EU IPs, and someone uses a VPN to look like they're coming from the US and bypass that, they can then sue me under the GDPR? No way.

No, they can't 'sue' you; they can make a complaint to their data authority who will then decide if and what to do about it. So if your site blocks EU IPs and you then violate the privacy of someone in the EU grossly enough to warrant the data authority to make a case out of it, then yes. (provided everything else also applies, e.g. the things being talked about in the rest of this thread).

Put it in your TOS that European users are forbidden from using your site, and then if they complain to a data authority press charges under the CFAA, and sue them for damages you incurred due to their violation. Then let the courts hash it out.
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