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The Psychology of Japanese Train Stations

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There is so much here that couldn't work as it does, without the implicit assumption that everyone is going to behave politely. Hell the polite queuing after a major earthquake for water and food is absolutely astounding. The foreigners who don't try to live up to the social standards while living here should be shunned by the local gaijins.

Re the polite queuing after earthquakes: I happened to be in Sendai the day of the big earthquake/tsunami/nuclear reactor breakdown. I had no place to stay because I had a flight booked for later that day, which obviously got canceled. I started walking around downtown. There was clearly a lot of nervous energy, and there were hundreds of aftershocks in the first 24 hours, but people were behaving calmly and orderly.…

It's really nice to read about the best side of humanity showing itself. Thanks for sharing.

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In my first experience with trains in Japan, I had to take a jaunt that included a leg from Nagoya to Matsusaka. The train ride was about 90 minutes, and I was anxious about knowing which station to exit. I anticipated that the signage would all be in Japanese. So I asked the station attendant in Nagoya how I'd know when to get off. He looked at my ticket and said, "The train will stop at 1:11PM. You get off." The tr…

I don't understand, isn't that how trains work everywhere? Otherwise how are the people in the next city supposed to know when they need to be there to board that train?

In Japan there was an apology because a train left 20 seconds AHEAD of schedule:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-42009839

This is not unusual:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44149791

Trains in Japan run very regularly, much more so than in other countries I've visited. Only yesterday I was on a Finnish train and it was delayed by 15 minutes, which lead to some confusion when it did turn up over whether it was the correct train.

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I don't understand, isn't that how trains work everywhere? Otherwise how are the people in the next city supposed to know when they need to be there to board that train?

I mean there is a time posted, and it won’t leave earlier than that, but it may leave a lot later. Here is the delay distribution for the train I would take to work if it wasn’t so late: https://juckins.net/amtrak_status/archive/html/history.php?t...

> it won’t leave earlier than that,

Except by accident:

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-44149791

Re: The Psychology of Japanese Train Stations

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In my first experience with trains in Japan, I had to take a jaunt that included a leg from Nagoya to Matsusaka. The train ride was about 90 minutes, and I was anxious about knowing which station to exit. I anticipated that the signage would all be in Japanese. So I asked the station attendant in Nagoya how I'd know when to get off. He looked at my ticket and said, "The train will stop at 1:11PM. You get off." The tr…

I don't understand, isn't that how trains work everywhere? Otherwise how are the people in the next city supposed to know when they need to be there to board that train?

Here's the live arrivals board for Manchester Victoria station in England. At the time of posting, the next five trains scheduled to arrive were 15 minutes late, 14 minutes late, 25 minutes late, 8 minutes late and cancelled. This is not atypical.

http://ojp.nationalrail.co.uk/service/ldbboard/arr/MCV

Running a railway to time is remarkably difficult, because a single delay can cascade through the entire network.

http://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdoc/download?doi=10.1.1.648...

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There is so much here that couldn't work as it does, without the implicit assumption that everyone is going to behave politely. Hell the polite queuing after a major earthquake for water and food is absolutely astounding. The foreigners who don't try to live up to the social standards while living here should be shunned by the local gaijins.

> local gaijins Isn't this an oxymoron? I don't really know Japanese, but as far as I'm aware this means something along the lines of "local foreigners".

"Gaijin" is any non-ethnically-japanese person, so non-japanese long-term residents are still gaijin, even if they've been here for 15y, have a long-term job and married a japanese.

"Local gaijin" are thus simply people living in the area but not of japanese ethnicity. Mostly expats.

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Recently went to Japan. For a 'order' freak like me, it was heaven on earth. Not only in train stations, each and every aspect of their lives revolves around understanding human behavior and coming up with solutions to make activities as less confusing as possible. Their commitment to discipline is astounding. If everyone on earth were like the Japanese, our pace of technological, social and other forms of developmen…

What I actually liked most is the following: Eating fermented fish out of a bento box, while gliding through Japan with 300km/h is completely acceptable, yacking away on your cell phone is not. It makes for a very pleasent (and delicious) atmosphere while using public transport.

I know you’re talking about bullet (or other express) trains where it’s expected to eat, but you’re definitely not supposed to do it on normal trains.

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The other day my train had to wait for 5 minutes just outside Flinders St station because didn't have a platform to park the train at. Flinders is a real bottleneck, if the flow starts to stutter there, everything falls to bits. Upon saying that, Melbourne's trains are usually pretty good, over 90% on time. It's the buses here that I have issues with. The timetable at the stop is completely useless, and the app is no…

> over 90% on time While true, this is a factoid. 1. Some trains never run. For the commuter this is like a very late train. You need to add the "did not run" numbers to the late trains to get a total effective lateness figure. 2. Some trains run but are so full you cannot get on them. Try catching a train from Prahran to the city at 8am. Nonetheless, this counts as an on time service. 3.On time is defined as anywher…

Anecdotal, sure, but I find about 9 in 10 trains are online and boardable. Frankston and Werribee lines, off peak. I hope the new lines that will bypass the city will help decongestion the network.

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There is so much here that couldn't work as it does, without the implicit assumption that everyone is going to behave politely. Hell the polite queuing after a major earthquake for water and food is absolutely astounding. The foreigners who don't try to live up to the social standards while living here should be shunned by the local gaijins.

Re the polite queuing after earthquakes: I happened to be in Sendai the day of the big earthquake/tsunami/nuclear reactor breakdown. I had no place to stay because I had a flight booked for later that day, which obviously got canceled. I started walking around downtown. There was clearly a lot of nervous energy, and there were hundreds of aftershocks in the first 24 hours, but people were behaving calmly and orderly.…

That was uplifting to read. Thank you for sharing your experience.

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Aka expat community. Those who have already moved there should work to try to help newcomers integrate.

Aah, I guess they're still considered gaijins.

You're considered gaijin even if you're born in the country. My half-Japanese children (born and bred in Japan) get called "gaijin" all the time.

Re: The Psychology of Japanese Train Stations

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In my first experience with trains in Japan, I had to take a jaunt that included a leg from Nagoya to Matsusaka. The train ride was about 90 minutes, and I was anxious about knowing which station to exit. I anticipated that the signage would all be in Japanese. So I asked the station attendant in Nagoya how I'd know when to get off. He looked at my ticket and said, "The train will stop at 1:11PM. You get off." The tr…

I don't understand, isn't that how trains work everywhere? Otherwise how are the people in the next city supposed to know when they need to be there to board that train?

In India, trains being right on time is considered a rare occurrence. Usually trains are late 5-30 minutes and sometimes even hours.
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