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Re: Ask HN: Interview Thank You Emails. Necessary?

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...it is 100% necessary to send an email... I take it a step further. I always send a hand written Thank You Note by snail mail. Always. I have never failed to do this. Why? Because if someone has spent an hour of their time (I don't care if it's on company time) to potentially change my life, the least I could do is take 5 minutes to share a sincere Thank You. I always take the time to hand write it, I always make i…

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Re: Ask HN: Interview Thank You Emails. Necessary?

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The problem I have with thank you notes - both as an interviewer and an interviewee - is that not only are they mechanical in nature but also manipulative. The interviewee has something to gain by sending a thank you note.

When all the people you have interviewed send you a thank you note because it's "the thing to do," then it is hard to gauge the level of sincerity.

For me, the enthusiasm and energy demonstrated at the actual interview is far more indicative of whether either party really actually appreciated spending time together.

Re: Ask HN: Interview Thank You Emails. Necessary?

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The problem I have with thank you notes - both as an interviewer and an interviewee - is that not only are they mechanical in nature but also manipulative. The interviewee has something to gain by sending a thank you note. When all the people you have interviewed send you a thank you note because it's "the thing to do," then it is hard to gauge the level of sincerity. For me, the enthusiasm and energy demonstrated at…

You don't send the note because you have something to gain (in my opinion). You send it because you wish to be courteous, and for no other reason, and with no other expectation.

Re: Ask HN: Interview Thank You Emails. Necessary?

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I honestly think it doesn't matter. I have about 10 years of professional experience, and while I used to write thank-you e-mails and even snail mail letters on every job interview I went on when I was younger, I stopped doing it a long time ago. Here's why:

a) A startup or a mid-sized company will usually act pretty fast in making an offer or informing the candidate they're declined. The bureaucracy at bigger companies may mean it could be awhile before you hear back from them even if they liked you, but for the most part I felt silly sending thank-you letters after my employment at the company was already determined.

b) It's common to go on an interview loop and meet 4-8 people. I found myself basically copy-pasting them same letter to everyone I had met and I felt really foolish. The alternative was to think of something unique to everyone, but this felt equally contrived ("I really enjoyed those questions about how Perl handles multiple inheritance!")

c) Business cards are pretty passe now and a lot of engineers don't get them at companies because they don't need them. So I would ask the employees I would interview for their cards, they wouldn't have any, so I had to awkwardly quickly jot down their full name and e-mail address while the next interviewer was already walking into the room. Or sometimes I would forget to ask, and then I'd e-mail the HR contact, and I doubt it ever got to the interviewer.

d) When I got older, I quickly realized I never made any difference to me as a hiring manager. If I liked a candidate, I hired him. If I didn't, I didn't hire him. If I received a thank-you e-mail, it didn't make a lick of a difference. I know it can demonstrate good communication skills, etc, but I already made my judgment on the candidate's communication skills in the 1 hour I spoke to him, not in the 15 seconds I took to read his thank-you e-mail.

e) At a company I interviewed at, I once sent everyone a thank-you e-mail, and then I was hired. Somehow my personal e-mail address was made the default in everyone's Outlook address book for my name, and it was literally weeks until it was fixed. Until then I had to keep checking my personal e-mail as well as my work e-mail. This is obviously more a failure of Outlook or that company's IT department, but that was basically the last time I ever sent thank-you e-mails.

Look, it won't hurt. If you're paranoid and getting a lot of 'old-school' advice, then go ahead and do it. But seriously, at no point does a candidate's offer status hang in the balance on his thank-you note. An interview debrief never ends with, "well, sounds like we could really go either way on this guy... let's see if he's the kind of polite young chap that sends a thank-you e-mail."

So good luck with the interviewing, and if you're concerned about coming off as polite and well-mannered, the best way to to express is it in the interview itself... not a contrived thank-you e-mail that the interviewer probably won't get anyway and won't influence his decision even if it does.

Re: Ask HN: Interview Thank You Emails. Necessary?

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Certainly not necessary. I did several hundred in-person interviews of college candidates during my time at MSFT, with at least a hundred of them while I was the hiring manager, and I can remember only three thank-you notes (two via e-mail, one via snail mail). That said, I remember all three.

Very few recruiters pass on the email id of the hiring manger to candidates. Also, many candidates write an email to the recruiter thanking him/her and the interviewers which usually never gets to the interviewers.

always ask for a business card...

Re: Ask HN: Interview Thank You Emails. Necessary?

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post #9
post #5

...it is 100% necessary to send an email... I take it a step further. I always send a hand written Thank You Note by snail mail. Always. I have never failed to do this. Why? Because if someone has spent an hour of their time (I don't care if it's on company time) to potentially change my life, the least I could do is take 5 minutes to share a sincere Thank You. I always take the time to hand write it, I always make i…

I don't quite get your reasoning here: > if someone has spent an hour of their time (I don't care if it's on company time) to potentially change my life, the least I could do is take 5 minutes to share a sincere Thank You. That implies that choosing a slower method of communicating somehow shows greater thanks than would, say, an email or phone call. I suppose to some people (certainly not me), a snail mail letter ma…

I always used to send hand-written thank-you notes, but when I started doing on-campus recruiting I realized that sometimes snail mail isn't feasible. The places I was interviewing were handing out second-round interviews the night of the interview or the next day, so if I wanted my message to reach my interviewer before s/he made a decision, I had to turn to email. Also, this is anecdotal, of course, but the only place I interviewed where I did not get an offer was the one I forgot to send thank-you emails to (I was traveling the whole day and then remembered too late...). Take that as you will! I personally think thank-you notes can only help you if they're well written and sincere.

Re: Ask HN: Interview Thank You Emails. Necessary?

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Please read this: (this is why I was able as a very socially awkward college student not stumble through the first job search):

http://www.collegegrad.com/interview/thankyouletterafterinte...

Sending a Thank You email takes almost no effort. Sending a Thank You letter in the mail takes a bit of effort. Consider a job fair where a recruiter gets a hundred resumes. Could sending a sincere Thank You note in the mail possibly make you stand out from the crowd? Most especially in these days of longer hiring cycles where the difference between a minute of effort to send an email and the ten minutes to write, print, sign (with blue ink to contrast from black printer ink), and mail might make a difference.

There is a better site and a book, http://collegegrad.com that really exposed the behind-the-scenes of hiring because it was written by a hiring manager. Pretty much everything I'm saying here has been paraphrased. As the site says, the secret to an effective Thank You letter is to restate your interest in the position after thanking them and most important have a future promise to follow-up: "I will call you next Wednesday at 3pm to discuss this further" Even if you don't get the person on the line, by calling when you said you would - you earn professional credibility.

Re: Ask HN: Interview Thank You Emails. Necessary?

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Interviews are a two way process. People seem to think it's about the interviewer showing up and answering a bunch of questions, but the goal is to try to make a connection. Sending a thank you is part of making that connection.

Your 'thank you' can include specifics of the conversation that interested you, or more questions that you have in order to show your interest. It's another opportunity to communicate with someone you may want to work with.

Re: Ask HN: Interview Thank You Emails. Necessary?

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post #8

Courtesy is courtesy no matter what field you're in. I've always sent a thank you note no matter what. They took time out of their schedule for me, it's the least I could do. Here's two tips to help you: 1) You can never be too courteous. 2) There is nothing wrong with being the best dressed in the room. (Note: I've never worn a suit to an interview, but still always try to dress nicely even if I know the company is…

yea, same here. Though I don't disagree, I like to dress [well] in a way that suits my personality as well. Showing up in a suit to a startup does say something about you (not that that's bad, but it says something)

Re: Ask HN: Interview Thank You Emails. Necessary?

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post #8

Courtesy is courtesy no matter what field you're in. I've always sent a thank you note no matter what. They took time out of their schedule for me, it's the least I could do. Here's two tips to help you: 1) You can never be too courteous. 2) There is nothing wrong with being the best dressed in the room. (Note: I've never worn a suit to an interview, but still always try to dress nicely even if I know the company is…

The rule of thumb to use in most interviewing situations, not just Software Engineering, is to dress one "degree" up from your interviewers. If you're being interviewed by jeans and a T-shirt, wear a dress shirt and slacks. If you're being interviewed by a dress shirt and slacks, you can't go wrong with a casual suit.

If you're being interviewed by a formal suit, though, don't go busting out the tux :-p. That's the top level.

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