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Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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"Only a tiny fraction of the companies avoiding EU traffic due to GDPR have any intention of “doing shady stuff with your data”." Says who? If they weren't doing shady stuff, they wouldn't be pulling out of the EU. The excuses of being complex are just that, excuses.

Says who? Says anyone with common sense. What percentage of sites do you think employ data scientists or would even know where to go to sell your data? Most sites do nothing more than throw GA on their website, and maybe some Adsense. You people decided to paint that as something evil. That’s your decision to make, but just understand that most of the rest of the world wants no part of $20M potential fines and will s…

>Most sites do nothing more than throw GA on their website, and maybe some Adsense

That actually is a problem. GA is a clear violation of everyone privacy.

Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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Hey all – Brian from Instapaper here. We worked really hard to try to avoid a service interruption in the EU, but unfortunately we were unable to. We continue to work hard to ensure that the service interruption is as brief as possible. Let me know if you have any questions...

You could've just done absolutely nothing. That would've avoided service disruption.

Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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My point is, I have no clue what's collecting data in an improper way, and I'm not going to hire a lawyer for a hobby app. The amount of conflicting information about whether I do or don't need consent based on what services I use is just stupid. And I wouldn't even be showing ads. Part of the apps function is related to location, do I need consent? Maybe. It will use Firebase, do I need consent? Maybe. It will colle…

Welcome to the real world. If your little hobby project leaks the personal information of a real person, then they don't care how much of an unimportant side project it was to you. For purely personal use "hey guys, this is just a hobby use at your own risk" you won't get hit with gdpr Imagine if you were building cars for a hobby then selling them. Would you complain about all of those onerous regulations like seatb…

I don't see what leaking personal information has to do with collecting crash data, or using Google's infrastructure to store my data. Why should I have to be on the hook for what is most definitely much safer than trying to safeguard the data myself?

Like I said, all it will accomplish is discouraging projects like mine that aim to provide utility to some people. One of my released hobby apps is no great commercial success (I don't show ads or collect revenue), but it's one of the top rated apps in its category on the Play Store, and I have about 20k DAU.

If the GDPR ever came after me for it, I'd just take the app down. Bam, 20k people a day affected because of over regulation.

Also, I wouldn't equate personalized ads with the life and death regulations involved in the auto industry.

Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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In such a world, it would make more sense to limit the scope of the law until enforcement can catch up. Minimally enforced laws that are enforced subjectively are problematic regardless of why.

Are you suggesting that the US government suspend income tax while they hire enough people in the IRS to go through every individual's tax return?

No, I'm suggesting they don't add any more compliance rules with new punishments unless they staff up.

Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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Hey all – Brian from Instapaper here. We worked really hard to try to avoid a service interruption in the EU, but unfortunately we were unable to. We continue to work hard to ensure that the service interruption is as brief as possible. Let me know if you have any questions...

Extremely bizarre move frankly. I assume this was some kind or vigilante decision rather than based on recommendation of counsel.

Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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I was under the impression that of you don't do business with EU users, you are not subject to the rules. This seems like the only reasonable way to not do business with EU customers. Other thoughts aside, if they wanted to stop doing business in the EU, how should they?

> Other thoughts aside, if they wanted to stop doing business in the EU, how should they? Erase everything.

I suppose for most thinking rationally, it seems like "stop doing business in the EU" is different than "make it like you've never done business in the EU". Taken to its conclusion, which Instapaper surely won't, it's not going to be easy to punish a business that has cut ties with the EU because of what they collected before. Granted it appears that with the law, like its predecessors, practicality of reasonable enforcement takes a backseat to intent.

Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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I'm sorry, I don't buy it. (1) you still hold the data, you are still required to comply with the law and cutting off access does not change that one bit. (2) the period for a response is long enough that once you would receive requests you could handle them in time even if you processed them manually. (3) you have been - or should have been - aware of all this for a very long time, either you failed at estimating th…

Weren't you the one previously saying that don't panic ( https://jacquesmattheij.com/gdpr-hysteria ) because of GDPR back in the day? And now you are advocating that they should have already complied with GDPR given its impact! Make up your mind. And this is exactly why this is such a shitshow. Stop attacking people who haven't complied because small developers have other things rather than trying to figure out wheth…

He's also the same guy who said, and I quote, "compliance is easy, just read the law."

It surprises me how much this community tolerates such combative cluelessness.

Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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Instapaper is owned by Pinterest. Pinterest is a large high profile company with millions of European users and would be a potential target of regulators looking to establish precedents of enforcement with a big name. I highly doubt this decision was made lightly and was probably informed by actual legal professionals with knowledge of the regulators in question and not the 3rd party opinion of some guy on the intern…

Most other companies haven't made the same decision, what's different about Instapaper? Do they share reading habits with multiple third parties perhaps?

GDPR has basically turned the lights on all of the companies doing questionable things with user data. Shutting down or turning off the EU is a huge red flag.

Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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But that's the reality. At least they're working on it and the fact that a lot of companies massively overreact means they at least take data protection serious now.

You don't ignore a law for 2 years and then just after it comes into force say "at least we're working on it". Honestly I thought the GDPR was a bit of an over reaction when it came out 2 years ago but seeing how little respect companies have for our data over the last few weeks I've been convinced it was necessary.

As an engineer, with as much else is going on on a day to day basis it's not surprising. A lot of the vagueness around the GDPR still hasn't been resolved, nobody wanted to get a head start just to be told "oops, we actually meant this" and have wasted countless engineering/lawyer hours as a result.

Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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post #237

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My point is, I have no clue what's collecting data in an improper way, and I'm not going to hire a lawyer for a hobby app. The amount of conflicting information about whether I do or don't need consent based on what services I use is just stupid. And I wouldn't even be showing ads. Part of the apps function is related to location, do I need consent? Maybe. It will use Firebase, do I need consent? Maybe. It will colle…

Welcome to the real world. If your little hobby project leaks the personal information of a real person, then they don't care how much of an unimportant side project it was to you. For purely personal use "hey guys, this is just a hobby use at your own risk" you won't get hit with gdpr Imagine if you were building cars for a hobby then selling them. Would you complain about all of those onerous regulations like seatb…

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