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Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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Post by celticninja »

sdhgaiojfsa wrote: post #124
Dayshine wrote: post #76

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Have you received genuine legal advice that recommended that you shut down business instead of continuing to work towards compliance? The agencies that can enforce the GPDR want you to be compliant, not to fine you... If you're actually working towards compliance past evidence shows they won't fine you.

I've heard this line a lot, but even as a government loving liberal it doesn't sound very compelling to me. The law says, comply or face fines up to 4% of global revenue. It doesn't say, "make a best effort to comply, or face fines up to 4% of global revenue." I'm very reluctant to trust people who can fine me for that much money that they won't do so. This is especially the case because it appears to some of us fore…

I would be interested in seeing examples of large fines that have been handed out to business by the EU that don't first of all meet the general conditions mentioned in this article.

https://jacquesmattheij.com/gdpr-hysteria

Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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Post by slededit »

danpalmer wrote: post #203
Normal_gaussian wrote: post #140

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hmmm... If I had an instapaper account it would be interesting to submit a GDPR request tomorrow, and see what kind of reply I got. Now I don't, but I'm sure there are plenty of other interested people around.

In all likelihood, the answer from most companies would be "sorry we don't yet have the ability to provide that data, it's on the roadmap, you'll have to wait".

This is ridiculous, its not like they didn't have notice.

Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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Post by downandout »

Dayshine wrote: post #76
bthdonohue wrote: post #43

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The scope of work for GDPR was underestimated by me, we were not able to complete that work for the deadline on Friday, and this was the required alternative. We are working very hard to minimize the service interruption.

Have you received genuine legal advice that recommended that you shut down business instead of continuing to work towards compliance? The agencies that can enforce the GPDR want you to be compliant, not to fine you... If you're actually working towards compliance past evidence shows they won't fine you.

The agencies that can enforce the GPDR want you to be compliant, not to fine you.

Says who? The only perfectly clear parts of the GDPR revolve around the massive fines.

Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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Post by danpalmer »

grey-area wrote: post #194
pembrook wrote: post #101

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Instapaper is owned by Pinterest. Pinterest is a large high profile company with millions of European users and would be a potential target of regulators looking to establish precedents of enforcement with a big name. I highly doubt this decision was made lightly and was probably informed by actual legal professionals with knowledge of the regulators in question and not the 3rd party opinion of some guy on the intern…

Most other companies haven't made the same decision, what's different about Instapaper? Do they share reading habits with multiple third parties perhaps?

This is increasingly my suspicion. I'd expect that they could have solved any technical issues around disabling tracking or letting users opt-in/out by now, which leads me to suspect that they have their business model based on being able to share certain data. It's very possible that they've A/B tested GDPR compliant flows/messaging, and found that their metrics/revenue dropped enough that they feel they have to do something more drastic. Although the argument against that is the fact they have literally just disabled access for European users.

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Post by danpalmer »

justboxing wrote: post #208
danpalmer wrote: post #97

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I feel like you’re making a bigger deal out of this than necessary, unless you’re doing some shady stuff with our data. From what I can tell from various legal advice that I’ve read, as long as you’re working on implementing the changes, and have been following security best practices, nothing really changes on May 25th, and you’ll be able to take your time to become fully compliant, as long as you can demonstrate th…

> Your current reaction seems like a huge and unnecessary It's most likely action based on what their suits (Lawyers) recommended, and not a reaction.

Possibly, although other lawyers are saying other things, and my understanding of the official guidance suggests this is an overreaction.

Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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Post by kodablah »

bearcobra wrote: post #149
merinowool wrote: post #145

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> would be a potential target of regulators looking to establish precedents of enforcement with a big name. Shouldn't law apply equally to everyone? One could have thought that setting an example "to show them!" wouldn't have occurred in a civilised country.

In a world of limited resources, it makes sense that regulators would pursue enforcement against entities that impact a large number of people.

In such a world, it would make more sense to limit the scope of the law until enforcement can catch up. Minimally enforced laws that are enforced subjectively are problematic regardless of why.

Re: Instapaper is temporarily shutting off access for European users due to GDPR

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Post by anonymouz »

bthdonohue wrote: post #5

Hey all – Brian from Instapaper here. We worked really hard to try to avoid a service interruption in the EU, but unfortunately we were unable to. We continue to work hard to ensure that the service interruption is as brief as possible. Let me know if you have any questions...

Did you delete all EU users' data?
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