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post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He said "it included just about every major angel investor in Silicon Valley" - which people can make easy assumptions about who it is.

I'm guessing the top 10 super angels would include Marc Andreessen, Chris Dixon, Ron Conway and the PayPal guys Peter Thiel, Reid Hoffman, Max Levchin, Keith Rabois Who else?

Keith confirms he wasn't there: http://www.quora.com/Keith-Rabois-were-you-at-the-dinner-mee...

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post #60

So a blogger gets a tip from a source, knows the people involved, acts on it and smells a rat. He sticks around and talks to a few people he knows, makes a few calls and gets a breaking story. Sounds to me like bloggers are the new journalists and that traditional media is in big big trouble.

Felix Salmon does this, and he's a blogger working for Reuters. Dan Primack does this, and he's a blogger working for Fortune. It's not about old/new media - it's about hustle .

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I wouldn't be surprised if that's the last we hear of this story; very unlikely Arrington will name drop in the future. However, if this story is true, hopefully it scares off these Angels from forming an investment 'mafia.'

I disagree -- I can't imagine that Arrington will hold those names back. He's a journalist first, and increasingly, what seems to be a sort old school one -- he's there for the story.

Right now, there's no need to drive traffic with names -- he's got today's scoop. Give him time.

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post #94

I don't understand how people like this (if the points I'm referring to are truthful, of course) can not maintain some composure. Guilty silence and a "oh no no" from somebody considered as a friend is a bit ridiculous. I'm searching for the right words right now, but it's sort of ridiculous that Angels like this who have undoubtedly relied on their networking end up handling a situation like this. A bit amateurish,…

A bit amateurish, no?

That scene could be straight from the script of a rather poor B-Movie...

I find it hard to imagine a group of grown up investors behave like that.

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post #60

So a blogger gets a tip from a source, knows the people involved, acts on it and smells a rat. He sticks around and talks to a few people he knows, makes a few calls and gets a breaking story. Sounds to me like bloggers are the new journalists and that traditional media is in big big trouble.

Felix Salmon does this, and he's a blogger working for Reuters. Dan Primack does this, and he's a blogger working for Fortune. It's not about old/new media - it's about hustle .

Read Manufacturing Consent or any of the books that have been written about the MSM since then. It's very much about old media verse new media.

If this were the NYT they'd probably tell Arrington he couldn't run the story because it'd interfere with either their ad sales or else their access to sources. For example, just look at how/why they covered up their knowledge of the warrantless wiretapping until after Bush got reelected.

Whereas with Arrington there's no one to tell him he can't do it because it's his blog, and because he's not part of some mega corporation the chances of a story like this killing the revenue of some part of his empire are infinitely lower.

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post #94

I don't understand how people like this (if the points I'm referring to are truthful, of course) can not maintain some composure. Guilty silence and a "oh no no" from somebody considered as a friend is a bit ridiculous. I'm searching for the right words right now, but it's sort of ridiculous that Angels like this who have undoubtedly relied on their networking end up handling a situation like this. A bit amateurish,…

i was thinking the same thing. not ONE of them managed to get his wits together and say something to make it look at least a teensy bit less suspicious?

seems like it would have been prudent to have even just a bit of a cover story prepared, considering how easy it is to bump into other folks in the industry at any time at any place within the city.

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post #60

So a blogger gets a tip from a source, knows the people involved, acts on it and smells a rat. He sticks around and talks to a few people he knows, makes a few calls and gets a breaking story. Sounds to me like bloggers are the new journalists and that traditional media is in big big trouble.

a breaking story would name names...him not naming names just means he can use this as a hammer to get better terms for Techcrunch(either I get exclusive to every deal you guys do...or your names will be posted)

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post #86
post #40

Earlier quoted context omitted.

er, because he wants to maintain relationships with his friends who were around the table?

One of the major nono's of journalism is becoming too close to your sources.

Maybe one day you will figure out the difference between coming "too close", and dropping peoples names at the first sign of a story. Maybe.

Re: So A Blogger Walks Into A Bar…

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I am late in joining this thread and will add only a few observations to supplement the many good comments already here:

1. Competitor collusion and express agreements to restrict the freedom of each to compete (i.e., horizontal contractual dealings) do indeed expose the colluding parties to potentially serious liabilities under the Sherman and FTC Acts. If that is what is going on here, then Mr. Arrington has fired a major warning shot to those involved asking, in effect, "are you insane to let yourselves get caught up in this sort of activity?"

2. The irony here is that competitors are completely free to have contacts with one another, to discuss industry problems, and even to work on solutions for how best to handle such problems, provided that such contacts aren't made for an anti-competitive purpose. This is how trade associations work, among other things, and angel investors can and do meet all the time to discuss common issues and problems. Such benign meetings and contacts are very different from colluding to restrict their ability to compete freely in the marketplace through agreements to suppress valuations, etc.

3. Parallel action by competitors is in itself normally quite harmless and does not subject them to liabilities (for example, the fact that angel investors tend to use common sets of investment documents, tend as a group to dislike convertible notes, etc.). Companies having nothing to complain about legally from the fact that a particular angel investor happens to engage in practices in common with others in the industry that founders happen not to like. All this changes, though, if the competitors (i.e., the angel investors) have engaged in suspicious activities such as secret meetings among themselves to discuss overt ways to limit competition, etc.

4. Nothing under the law stops any one of these angel investors from deciding as a business matter to form a new fund along with others of such investors and to engage through that fund as a competitor in the venture financing industry. In such case, the investors are no longer competitors and have simply combined forces to compete as a different entity in the industry. If, however, the parties effectively remain competitors and simply form a jointly controlled venture whose aim is to serve as a vehicle by which they might collude in suppressing competition, that vehicle would be unlawful.

Putting all this together, the normal give and take among the myriad angel investors in the Valley and elsewhere is lawful and beyond reproach, even when they do meet to discuss problems. Meetings in a smoke-filled room as part of concerted efforts to restrict normal competitive activities by the participants, on the other hand, are almost blatantly illegal on the face of it and especially so when the participants are among the most prominent players in the industry.

It may well be that some or most of these participants hadn't really realized that they were moving from the benign to the illegal in participating in such meetings over time, and this is where it seems that Mr. Arrington is doing a good turn for them by calling them out before they do something that is irretrievably wrong. Just speculating on this last point but that is how the tone of the piece strikes me.

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