Live data from Hacker News

Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out to random contact

kiro7.com

131–140 of 734 posts

Re: Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out to random contact

#131
post #89

But seriously what do you more or less expect from this. Anyone littlely involved in tech will tell to throw this shit out the window.

I'm "involved with tech" (developer for 15+ years) and I have two of them. You might also be horrified to learn that my house contains multiple smartphones, computers, routers, and other devices, all of which are connected to the internet!

I enjoy living dangerously.

Re: Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out to random contact

#132
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That pocket computer also has all the same potential threats to privacy. Somehow nobody cares about them, though.

That pocket computer can be programed to listen, or not. The whole point of these cylinders is to be listening at all times.

Lots of phones can be set to listen all the time, and you have no way of knowing if it’s been programmed to listen even if you turn that off.

Re: Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out to random contact

#133

I feel creeped out by these home listening devices and I don't own one, but don't our phones already have this capability? You can turn "Ok Google" on on an android phone. I sometimes record audio, and the mic is incredibly good. Is there a substantial difference between our phones and these devices? EDIT: Just realized the substantial difference is that Google and Amazon own all of these things. They don't control a…

Not sure about Android phones with "Ok Google" but on iOS, all of Siri's voice processing is on the device. As opposed to Amazon Alexa which sends the data to the cloud for processing.

Re: Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out to random contact

#134
post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the computational requirements of good speech rec exceed what you would build into a $100 device, and because doing it in the cloud makes training and improving it easier. The “wake word” is local, which is why it is constrained to a few choices. I suspect we are only a few years away from being able to do a slightly inferior version using local processing, or a private cloud (already possible today when ther…

It's the reason everyone says Siri sucks - they do all the processing for her on the device, not the cloud.

Pretty sure this isn't true. Siri won't work for me if I don't have an Internet connection.

Re: Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out to random contact

#135
post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the computational requirements of good speech rec exceed what you would build into a $100 device, and because doing it in the cloud makes training and improving it easier. The “wake word” is local, which is why it is constrained to a few choices. I suspect we are only a few years away from being able to do a slightly inferior version using local processing, or a private cloud (already possible today when ther…

It's the reason everyone says Siri sucks - they do all the processing for her on the device, not the cloud.

That's not why people I know say Siri sucks: for us it's because it can't look up as much info as Amazon or Google. It understands the query, it just can't do as much with it.

Re: Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out to random contact

#136
post #104

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because the computational requirements of good speech rec exceed what you would build into a $100 device, and because doing it in the cloud makes training and improving it easier. The “wake word” is local, which is why it is constrained to a few choices. I suspect we are only a few years away from being able to do a slightly inferior version using local processing, or a private cloud (already possible today when ther…

> Because the computational requirements of good speech rec exceed what you would build into a $100 device, I have difficulty believing this. We had good speech recognition on <$1000 devices 10 years ago.

For unrestricted language, without training?

Re: Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out to random contact

#137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s about all we use ours for “Alexa... play white noise” “ALEXA... stop”

Do you notice that it randomly fades out and then fades back in every few hours? I don't understand why it does that.

Is it pulling a track from their music archives? Maybe it’s just a several hour long loop and the date is when it repeats.

Re: Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out to random contact

#138
post #15

Summary of vague technical details (which may be all we hear about this): > an Alexa engineer investigated ... they said 'our engineers went through your logs, and they saw exactly what you told us, they saw exactly what you said happened, and we're sorry.' He apologized like 15 times in a matter of 30 minutes and he said we really appreciate you bringing this to our attention, this is something we need to fix!" > th…

> The device did not audibly advise that it was preparing to send the recording, something it’s programmed to do. Apparently it's not programmed to do that. Unless this was a hardware glitch or cosmic-ray event.

On the topic of cosmic rays... it's more likely than most people think, at least for 2007 hardware.

https://lwn.net/Articles/219983/

Re: Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out to random contact

#139
post #99

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's a little more than just that. Every light in my house is controlled with Alexa which is a very nice and hard to explain until you have tried it. Also my home theater system is all controllable via Alexa as well. This kind of thinking makes no sense to me. > People are voluntarily paying for their houses to be tapped for the convenience of being able to shout: play me some song. > I’m so out of touch with this wo…

There is a massive difference between walking a few steps to turn on a light switch (which is only useful when you are in close proximity) vs having a accurate real-time mapping functionality when on the go. Similarly, there is a massive difference in the privacy implications of listening to every conversation everyone in your home (including guests) is having vs. having your current location known. Wiretapping laws…

> having a accurate real-time mapping functionality when on the go.

To be fair, you can have all the maps without the location tracking; the location tracking just tells you where you are on the map.

Re: Amazon device recorded private conversation, sent it out to random contact

#140
I have this idea of a system I would like to have in my house. It contains cameras in every room that are constantly watching where people are and relaying the coordinates to a central server. That server makes decisions on if lights should be on or if A/C should be running in that room. But I would never buy this system. I would have to make it myself. I am hopeful that open source software and hardware can produce individual components that I can trust to piece together.
Post reply on HN