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Bitcoin Gold Hit by Double Spend Attack, Exchanges Lose Millions

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Re: Bitcoin Gold Hit by Double Spend Attack, Exchanges Lose Millions

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You seem to assume that the greatest feat of Bitcoin is it's price. Yes, sure the price might be affected (somewhat) by how exchanges operate and media covers. However, many people don't care too much about the monetary price, and play the long game. In the long run, the market always adjusts. In in the end, it is the same with any other commodity or currency.

What game are you playing if you don't care about the price?

Do you care about the price of 1 dollar? "In what?" you will ask. "Exactly. In what?" I will respond.

Re: Bitcoin Gold Hit by Double Spend Attack, Exchanges Lose Millions

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That's like saying you can't buy anything with a VISA. Sure, transactions are intermediated through some consensus denomination for exchange. So? He still lost bitcoin and gained tacos. Just as someone else might lose a portion of a credit balance and gain tacos. You get just as full either way.

It's more like saying you can't buy anything with gold. Credit and debit cards are just a way of shifting dollars around. Bitcoin is more a commodity than a currency. Yes, you can convert gold or oil to dollars and buy things, but you can't walk into a store and give them some gold flake or a quart of Texas crude in exchange for a candy bar.

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Re: Bitcoin Gold Hit by Double Spend Attack, Exchanges Lose Millions

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Oddly enough, one of the selling points of Bitcoin Gold (a hard fork of Bitcoin) was its use of Equihash instead of SHA-256. The idea was that a memory-hard proof-of-work function would inoculate Bitcoin Gold from miner centralization. The problem with mining centralization is that sufficiently powerful miners can attack the network by rewriting blocks. This opens the door to double spending. This was exactly the att…

Sounds like it isn't very wise to come up with new cryptocurrencies as long as the mining network is unregulated and the double spending problem isn't solved...

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Nah, you could short-sell Bitcoin. Take out a sell option, crash the value, buy cheap, then exercise the option. Information is valuable, no matter which direction it predicts the market to go.

Where would you buy a put (sell) option on Bitcoin (without substantial counterparty or settlement risk)? I genuinely want to know. I would have bought one in November if I could have.

interactive investors offer this i believe

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It is far from clear that Bitcoin will likely ever reach $70,000. That implies an approx market cap of $1,200,000,000,000 or more. Would Bitcoin ever be useful enough or generate more value than Google or several Big Energy companies combined to justify and sustain that valuation?

People said the same thing about $1,000 when it reached $35. in about 6 months, bitcoin will be 10 years, so considering that it went from $0 to $20,000 in those 10 years, so as my statement say, it's not without reason to expect it to reach $70,000 in the next 5 years. People like to compare bitcoin to gold, which has an estimated current market cap of $6,000,000,000,000. Will gold ever generate more value than Goog…

It also went from 20000 to 7000 in months, why not choose this trend to extrapolate?

Re: Bitcoin Gold Hit by Double Spend Attack, Exchanges Lose Millions

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With options, buying deep OTM puts won't result in an immediate impact on the underlying market because they have such low delta and market makers aren't going to move a lot of spot to hedge it.

The problem is that if you successfully rook put sellers in this way for some ungodly amount of money, they will never be able to pay out on your claim. Kinda like when all the big Wall Street Banks were caught out because AIG was threatening to go bankrupt and default on their CDS.

You might never exercise the option, but you could probably resell the option at a far higher price

Re: Bitcoin Gold Hit by Double Spend Attack, Exchanges Lose Millions

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When Bitcoin was running up to $20,000, I tried to analyze the system and come to a personal conclusion about its equilibrium value, because I didn't want to miss out if it really was the currency of the future. I ended up not investing, because of the possibility of a double-spend attack. I think that cryptocurrency enthusiasts are seriously underestimating the importance of double-spending attacks to the economics…

If bitcoin becomes 'the currency of the future' then renting 51% of the capacity at market rates will be prohibitively expensive.

Re: Bitcoin Gold Hit by Double Spend Attack, Exchanges Lose Millions

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source?

Not exactly a double spend, but billions BTC being printed out of thin air: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=822.0

It has happened before but that was in 2010 when the codebase was < 2 years old.

Re: Bitcoin Gold Hit by Double Spend Attack, Exchanges Lose Millions

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Nah, you could short-sell Bitcoin. Take out a sell option, crash the value, buy cheap, then exercise the option. Information is valuable, no matter which direction it predicts the market to go.

Where would you buy a put (sell) option on Bitcoin (without substantial counterparty or settlement risk)? I genuinely want to know. I would have bought one in November if I could have.

I’ve read about plans to introduce crypto currency ETFs, but I’m not aware of any that are publicly traded yet.
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