Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today • Hacker News Board

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by icebraining » Wed, May 23, 2018, 2:24 PM UTC

dragonwriter wrote: post #277

jdietrich wrote: post #81

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Consent must be freely given, granular and revocable. Consent is only one of the six grounds for lawful data processing. Consent is not always necessary, nor is it always sufficient. https://gdpr-info.eu/art-6-gdpr/

> Consent must be freely given, granular and revocable “Granular” appears nowhere in the article you cite nor the related recitals (and even if the exact phrase did, the specific degree of granularity required would still be an open question.) > Consent is only one of the six grounds for lawful data processing. I’d argue it's two of the six, as voluntary entry into a contract which requires certain processing is a fo…

“Granular” appears nowhere in the article you cite nor the related recitals

True, though it does appear in the Guidelines for consent: https://ec.europa.eu/newsroom/article29/document.cfm?action=...

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by pilsetnieks » Wed, May 23, 2018, 2:31 PM UTC

nikanj wrote: post #253

icebraining wrote: post #3

There's some irony in getting the Oath panel forcing me to consent to their tracking (in apparent violation of the GDPR) before showing me an article about Facebook's data handling problems. By the way, if you want to read the article without agreeing to their stuff, stop the page load after the article shows up. https://guce.oath.com/collectConsent?brandType=nonEu&.done=h...

Next level of irony: You just distributed advice for circumventing a technical content protection mechanism, which is illegal in many countries today.

It's not a content protection mechanism.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by dkns » Wed, May 23, 2018, 3:17 PM UTC

rusk wrote: post #251

Drakim wrote: post #243

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Is it? The same could be said for Americans speaking an European language.

I just mean with Brexit and all ... if the English leave, English will be deprecated as an official language, yet it will still be the lingua franca of European Business. It's just a kind of a funny, and slightly ironic situation I think. EDIT: I think actually it speaks very much to how european unity is about so much more than just the EU. By extension how culture and national identity is about so much more than wh…

UK leaving EU doesn't mean it's leaving Europe. It still is and will be a huge business partner, travel destination etc. so I seriously doubt English will deprecate as an official language.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by rusk » Wed, May 23, 2018, 3:25 PM UTC

dkns wrote: post #303

rusk wrote: post #251

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I just mean with Brexit and all ... if the English leave, English will be deprecated as an official language, yet it will still be the lingua franca of European Business. It's just a kind of a funny, and slightly ironic situation I think. EDIT: I think actually it speaks very much to how european unity is about so much more than just the EU. By extension how culture and national identity is about so much more than wh…

UK leaving EU doesn't mean it's leaving Europe. It still is and will be a huge business partner, travel destination etc. so I seriously doubt English will deprecate as an official language.

It'll never happen ...

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by jimmaswell » Wed, May 23, 2018, 3:54 PM UTC

adrianN wrote: post #22

ericdykstra wrote: post #21

If anything, this kind of regulation helps companies like Facebook keep their "monopoly", because it raises the monetary cost of starting a competitor. A number of smaller services and games have shut down due to increased cost of compliance, even for companies that don't have any privacy issues.

What alternative do you propose? The free market obviously fails to address privacy issues, I don't see how anything besides stricter regulation can help the affected people here.

>The free market obviously fails to address privacy issues,

No it doesn't. Everything was working completely fine before.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by xg15 » Wed, May 23, 2018, 4:06 PM UTC

croon wrote: post #135

xg15 wrote: post #114

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> "As such, all of your data is unavailable for download and no longer subject to GDPR privacy regulations" IANAL, but wouldn't this itself violate the GDPR?

Also not a lawyer (but skipping initialism of that), but I believe the GDPR covers any business servicing the region (EU), and this scenario indicates Facebook stop servicing EU.

However, they absolutely did business servicing the EU before and gathered an enormous amount of personal data of EU citizens by doing that.

As such I'd be surprised if they simply declare their service closed at one time and instantly lose all obligations for the data they collected in the past.

As an analogy, if you paid for some service in advance, the service took your money and then, instead of providing the service, spontaneously declared to end their relationship with you, you'd probably have good chances if you were to sue them.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by HumanHater » Wed, May 23, 2018, 4:09 PM UTC

rndgermandude wrote: post #226

zerostar07 wrote: post #214

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Unfortunately it is the nature of the internet social network sector to be monopolistic. Few (if any?) local social networks have survived because people typically - especially europeans - have friends outside EU. VK is a notable exception and i wonder how they made it - possibly anti-americanism played a role. In a way, facebook should wish they have some competition, so they can avoid all the nosy anti-trust questi…

vk is big in Russia (and some other parts) because they are proper Russian, in Russian and for Russians, and they are largely unmoderated, so you can easily find nice and nasty in the same place and also all the warez, porn (incl revenge and child) etc you will ever want. It's really the "wild east" there; I was pretty shocked when somebody started spamming child porn vk groups to one of the websites I moderate (and…

I'm sorry but what is your source of information exactly? "Hate speech" vkontakte is very dangerous in Russia and could put you in prison for a long time. Even upvotes and reposts could lead to very undesirable outcome. On the other hand I never heard of any problems for LGBT communities: despite western propaganda no one really cares about them. It didn't took me long to google them.

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Post by taysic » Wed, May 23, 2018, 4:52 PM UTC

ColonelPhantom wrote: post #107

woolvalley wrote: post #49

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I think quora and co is more about having an account and not about any sort of data consent per say.

Making an account is generally seen as a form of giving consent, especially as you need to agree to the terms and conditions when doing so.

You have to be very explicit and clear about what you data you are handing over in GDPR and how it will be used. Making an account usually does not have that information.

Additionally, you need to give a person an option to not hand over that data and still use your app/site 'without detriment' unless that data was essential to your tool.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by taysic » Wed, May 23, 2018, 6:50 PM UTC

adrianN wrote: post #22

ericdykstra wrote: post #21

If anything, this kind of regulation helps companies like Facebook keep their "monopoly", because it raises the monetary cost of starting a competitor. A number of smaller services and games have shut down due to increased cost of compliance, even for companies that don't have any privacy issues.

What alternative do you propose? The free market obviously fails to address privacy issues, I don't see how anything besides stricter regulation can help the affected people here.

I propose allowing people to use their private data as a form of monetary exchange. Iow, GDPR disallows apps/sites to ask a user if they would allow targeted advertising or would like to pay for the app. There is no good reason for this in my eyes. Transparency is great but don't force people to not be allowed to use their personal data in an exchange.

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Post by taysic » Wed, May 23, 2018, 6:52 PM UTC

jdietrich wrote: post #75

ericdykstra wrote: post #21

If anything, this kind of regulation helps companies like Facebook keep their "monopoly", because it raises the monetary cost of starting a competitor. A number of smaller services and games have shut down due to increased cost of compliance, even for companies that don't have any privacy issues.

It's a huge competitive advantage for privacy-oriented companies that were actually following the old Data Protection Directive. I've spoken to people who are in a blind panic about GDPR day, but I've also spoken to people who were completely unconcerned because they already had their ship in order. If your business relies on re-selling user data or aggressively targeting ads through data mining, coming into complian…

> If your business just sells a useful service at a reasonable price while respecting user privacy, you've got very little to worry about.

What about games/apps people would never pay for but they would be ok with getting targeted ads within? Is the EU ok with losing these services because they would not be profitable businesses if their only option were to ask users to pay?