Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by briandear » Wed, May 23, 2018, 4:05 PM UTC

gowld wrote: post #63

Steltek wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how much they have strained the infrastructure in Seattle You could rephrase this as "How much Seattle's entrenched interests have crippled the city's growth". How many towns and cities would love to have the problem of too many jobs?

It's not "too many jobs"; it's Washington state voters voting down income tax and transit initiatives that Seattle sorely needs.

So cut other spending. There is a 100% chance that there is money being mispent somewhere else. When a family has a budget, they can’t go over that budget: they cut expenses and prioritize. Governments are unwilling to do that because they somehow feel that every single expenditure is “vital.”

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by mandeepj » Wed, May 23, 2018, 4:05 PM UTC

imgabe wrote: post #45

kodablah wrote: post #26

I'm not sure comparing a second headquarters and a tech support site is apt. I'm not sure how loud the search is matters. WSJ is a joke. Look, I can twist words too: "While Amazon is clearer and open about employee counts and candidate locations for HQ2, Apple remains secret and opaque about any details even for small site". Abatements abound regardless, lets not treat the differences in culture between Amazon and Ap…

Not to mention, didn't Apple just build a billion dollar new headquarters building that was the subject of countless fawning articles?

They are looking to build one more.

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by getpost » Wed, May 23, 2018, 4:05 PM UTC

imgabe wrote: post #45

kodablah wrote: post #26

I'm not sure comparing a second headquarters and a tech support site is apt. I'm not sure how loud the search is matters. WSJ is a joke. Look, I can twist words too: "While Amazon is clearer and open about employee counts and candidate locations for HQ2, Apple remains secret and opaque about any details even for small site". Abatements abound regardless, lets not treat the differences in culture between Amazon and Ap…

Not to mention, didn't Apple just build a billion dollar new headquarters building that was the subject of countless fawning articles?

5 billion. I wish I understood how projects involving that much money are actually managed. https://www.fastcodesign.com/3029477/norman-foster-on-design...

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by grzm » Wed, May 23, 2018, 4:07 PM UTC

aclsid wrote: post #61

Can we all agree is bad form to share paywall links here? No, I don't want to resort to any hacks since it is stealing but this is literally advertising for the WSJ at this point.

This topic is a FAQ:

> "Are paywalls ok?"

> "It's ok to post stories from sites with paywalls that have workarounds."

> "In comments, it's ok to ask how to read an article and to help other users do so. But please don't post complaints about paywalls. Those are off topic."

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsfaq.html

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by NickBusey » Wed, May 23, 2018, 4:08 PM UTC

gowld wrote: post #65

NickBusey wrote: post #47

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting. If this is the case, I wonder how many companies there are with 999 employees?

Chinese government isn't stupid, and isn't bound by the literal rule of law.

Ok then, companies that hover around 900 employees. Business owners aren't stupid either, generally.

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by bogomipz » Wed, May 23, 2018, 4:13 PM UTC

projectramo wrote: post #31

kodablah wrote: post #26

I'm not sure comparing a second headquarters and a tech support site is apt. I'm not sure how loud the search is matters. WSJ is a joke. Look, I can twist words too: "While Amazon is clearer and open about employee counts and candidate locations for HQ2, Apple remains secret and opaque about any details even for small site". Abatements abound regardless, lets not treat the differences in culture between Amazon and Ap…

Good point. Secrecy and tax deals are two different issues. One's opinion on one should not be conflated with the other.

Except that secrecy is increasing being being used to hide the details of those tax deals. See:

http://money.cnn.com/2017/10/19/technology/business/amazon-h...

and

https://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/pennsylvania-asks-...

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by noarchy » Wed, May 23, 2018, 4:14 PM UTC

After hearing about Cupertino's possible plan to shakedown companies like Apple for tax money, should we be surprised at their approach to a new campus? Of course even a public search, there would be cities promising tax breaks to Apple, but their approach seems consistent with their usual levels of operational secrecy.

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by blang » Wed, May 23, 2018, 4:17 PM UTC

gowld wrote: post #63

Steltek wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> how much they have strained the infrastructure in Seattle You could rephrase this as "How much Seattle's entrenched interests have crippled the city's growth". How many towns and cities would love to have the problem of too many jobs?

It's not "too many jobs"; it's Washington state voters voting down income tax and transit initiatives that Seattle sorely needs.

It's not so much that voters are voting down income tax as progressive income taxes are illegal in the state of washington[1]. Though Seattle has tried[2]. You are right though that in some cases the voters have voted down income tax initiatives [3].

[1] https://www.washingtonpolicy.org/publications/detail/local-i...

[2] https://www.thestranger.com/slog/2017/11/22/25581262/superio...

[3] http://www.theolympian.com/news/politics-government/election...

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by Chaebixi » Wed, May 23, 2018, 4:20 PM UTC

gowld wrote: post #64

Chaebixi wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I don’t think most people realize outside of tech circles that Amazon will mostly bring people in rather than hiring locally Why do you say that? Amazon seems to recruit pretty heavily around me, which is far, far from Seattle and SV.

Recruit to work where?

Seattle mostly. If they built HQ2 here, I'd expect that recruiting would switch to be for jobs at HQ2 (and get a lot more successful, since no relocation required).

Re: Apple Avoids Amazon’s Beauty Contest, Searches Secretly for New Campus

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Post by heavenlyblue » Wed, May 23, 2018, 4:24 PM UTC

NickBusey wrote: post #75

gowld wrote: post #65

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Chinese government isn't stupid, and isn't bound by the literal rule of law.

Ok then, companies that hover around 900 employees. Business owners aren't stupid either, generally.

Come on. If you’re not making enough money they would probably not even bother with a 1000. If you do however, and the main reason to have a business is to make money as I remember - then they will most certainly come for you anyway.

You’re trying to lawyer your way out of an oppressive government. It doesn’t end well generally.