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In which Apple destroys my daughter’s iPad forever

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Re: In which Apple destroys my daughter’s iPad forever

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Yeah, I mind that. The solution is an effective police force. Maybe you've heard of it.

Yeah, please tells us more about your crime statistics in the states with this more "effective police", and how they're so much better than Europe/London...

I'm not living in the States, so I have no idea about the situation there, but Germany has very save cities. I'm sure you are able to input crime statistics Germany in your search engine of choice, if you are curious.

Re: In which Apple destroys my daughter’s iPad forever

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Nobody in my house or in my parents house wanted to lock their iOS devices at all...yet with every major update, Apple tries to trick us into re-enabling touch/pin/etc security with dark UI patterns.

A few times it actually worked when we weren't paying attention. Since I'm quite positive that nobody at Apple actually cares about what customers want or about their privacy and security, I'll just assume that this is more theater. Alternatively, perhaps they found that people who use touch/pin security are less likely to switch away from iOS or they buy more apps or something else that affects their bottom line.

Re: In which Apple destroys my daughter’s iPad forever

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So the device is locked because Activation Lock (Find My iPad) was enabled. But the root problem is the AppleID lockout. > Apple will not unlock her iCloud account... even though she has never forgotten her password. This is news to me. Why on earth is she not able to get back in if she knows the password? Did she perhaps enable 2FA when "modernizing" her AppleID and lose access to the 2nd factor? That's the only thi…

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Re: In which Apple destroys my daughter’s iPad forever

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Functionality like this is pretty good to deter theft. If thieves can't easily re-enable bricked devices, black market price is much lower, thus there's less incentive to mug people carrying those devices.

anti-theft should never impact user experience in such negative way. there are different ways to let the user be in control of this anti-theft technology which are much more user friendly and less prone to these kind of situations.

Growing up in relatively rough whereabouts, anti-theft IS user experience.

Of course, there must be a reasonable way for legitimate user to get his device back on. But reading the article, it looks like OP had quite a bad luck to loose all those recovery points :|

Re: In which Apple destroys my daughter’s iPad forever

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Don't blame the user for poor product decisions.

Yeah... because your email provider shuts down, and you keep using it for your apple account id, that is totally the fault of Apple.

Apple doesn't provide a way to transfer email account IDs.

Re: In which Apple destroys my daughter’s iPad forever

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Hmm, sounds like a fun DOS attack for frienemies. Personally, I'd rather take the risk. Is there a way to disable that?

If everything were backed up to iCloud (it is by default), you can literally throw your device in the trash, get a new one, log in and the new device will look and act like the old device with all of your data in check. The issue was that she had maxed out her icloud account and kept dismissing messages. The blame for that is shared between her parent not ponying up $10 a month for 2TB of storage that can be shared b…

I know that, its the hardware I care about, its not cheap. And what if you buy used? There no papers to prove you bought it to Apple. And the fact there's a way for Apple to reset it, but not me, is also highly annoying. To me, the risk of setting a pin is greater than my phone getting stolen or my data being exposed. Also, $10 a month is a rediculous price, a kid will fill up 2TB within a year and then managing what's in the cloud and whats on the device will be just as big a pain as doing your own backups, which would be extremely easy and cheap if Apple would expose the file system in a standard way (without requiring iTunes) over usb like a proper device thats not trying to sell you cloud storage.

Re: In which Apple destroys my daughter’s iPad forever

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Yeah... because your email provider shuts down, and you keep using it for your apple account id, that is totally the fault of Apple.

Apple doesn't provide a way to transfer email account IDs.

That's not true, I done it two month ago.

Re: In which Apple destroys my daughter’s iPad forever

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post #104

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Yeah... because your email provider shuts down, and you keep using it for your apple account id, that is totally the fault of Apple.

Apple doesn't provide a way to transfer email account IDs.

it seems it does, see here: https://appleid.apple.com/choose-your-country

Re: In which Apple destroys my daughter’s iPad forever

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If everything were backed up to iCloud (it is by default), you can literally throw your device in the trash, get a new one, log in and the new device will look and act like the old device with all of your data in check. The issue was that she had maxed out her icloud account and kept dismissing messages. The blame for that is shared between her parent not ponying up $10 a month for 2TB of storage that can be shared b…

I know that, its the hardware I care about, its not cheap. And what if you buy used? There no papers to prove you bought it to Apple. And the fact there's a way for Apple to reset it, but not me, is also highly annoying. To me, the risk of setting a pin is greater than my phone getting stolen or my data being exposed. Also, $10 a month is a rediculous price, a kid will fill up 2TB within a year and then managing what…

Yes you can reset the device yourself. (https://support.apple.com/en-us/HT204306). The device will be locked to your account and you have to use your account credentials to use it.

In this case, you're talking about backing up what's on your device. No device has 2TB of data to backup.

If Apple exposed the file system unencrypted, that kind of defeats the whole purpose of encryption. How many people are really going to manually connect to a computer and backup?

What's the state of backing up Android? Can you just log in to a new Android phone and have all of your data - including app data restored?

Re: In which Apple destroys my daughter’s iPad forever

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If a stolen device can be trivially reset there is no deterrent to stealing them or to buying stolen property.

This case (OP's) is an example of when a device reset could be required despite not having been stolen. What we're left with is the balancing act of deciding whether this example is an acceptable price to pay to achieve the deterrent effect you're describing. And I'd also be interested to know if it really does have a deterrent effect. Does anyone know if criminals really do avoid stealing iPads?

when a device reset could be required despite not having been stolen

For which you would use the security questions that they avoided doing for spurious reasons...

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