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Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by gpderetta »

gepi79 wrote: post #186
jonathanstrange wrote: post #143

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Well, I'm also a full-blown federalist, although I understand very well why people don't like the idea. I'm still hoping to be able to hold a genuine European passport in my hand that states "European" as nationality and "German" as mother tongue. Here is the main reason why I favour a genuine union with a partially joint military, a strengthened power for the European Parliament, and less power for appointed commiss…

* Unfortunately, younger generations have lost sight of this, some of them erroneously believe that wars could not start again in Europe without the EU. That's very short-sighted, historically, Europe has been torn by wars almost all the time. * We live in different times today. 2018 is not 1918. I would be worried if younger generations could imagine to waste their lives and their wealth for war. The problem is that…

Nobody expected the war in 1918 either.

US, and to a lesser extent European countries, have had little difficulty finding bodies to send to war in the last 50 years.

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

vixen99 wrote: post #247
KozmoNau7 wrote: post #206

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Hungary elected Viktor Orbán, a notoriously anti-EU, anti-immigrants hatemonger.

How about arguing specifics instead of merely emoting? For instance, what does a national border mean to you? Is it totally meaningless? What is a nation? Does it share any characteristics at all, with the concept of a family? Should a country not set any requirements for entry or should it adopt a free-for-all with no barriers? Actually I'm not taking sides here but merely suggesting it would be instructive to see a…

Orbán's flirting with far-right groups, his opposition to everything related to EU and his extremely nationalistic bent are all well-known. He has a history of policies and laws that are overtly nationalistic and isolationist. Which is not a healthy approach in an increasingly global politic climate.

His policies and speeches bring definite reminders of nationalistic policies past, of using immigrants as refugees and scapegoats for everything wrong in a society, as well as appealing to traditionalist values, the "things were much better in the old days" rose-tinted glasses mentality.

It is a symptom of being stuck in the past, a wish to bring society back to the imagined "good old days", which never actually existed in the first place. There are also the obvious calls to maintaining traditions and cultural identity that is "under attack" and in many cases were actually imported from other cultures and assimilated over decades. It's the exact same story with every other nationalistic politic party, in every European country.

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Post by toomanybeersies »

zerostar07 wrote: post #224
toomanybeersies wrote: post #56

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I think that's only a temporary thing. If people actually start writing software from ground up where it's easy to handle GDPR requirements, such as user deletion, giving users access to their data, etc., then it shouldn't be hard to start compliant and stay compliant.

I think the right to access and delete are the easy parts. More people are complaining about the consent requirements and the added bureaucracy.

  ALTER TABLE users ADD COLUMN consents jsonb;
Easy enough.

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Post by mpweiher »

zingmars wrote: post #188
gerhams wrote: post #156

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You sound like you don't own a passport and just repeat fearmongering you hear on the news Please get a passport, visit Europe, and then have an informed opinion. I can't speak personally for the eastern or southern states but here in central europe things are quite peachy. The central/west/northern parts of Europe are the most stable in the world, I doubt that will change soon, regardless of what happens elsewhere.…

You didn't really address his points though. He named multiple countries in which Eurosceptics are on the rise, and that is going to become a problem in time for EU. Hell, even here in Latvia anti-EU sentiments are (albeit slowly) becoming more widespread. I don't think there will be a fall anytime soon, but we certainly have interesting times ahead of us.

After Brexit, pro-EU sentiment across the EU has risen sharply.

Go figure.

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Post by dragonwriter »

icebraining wrote: post #191
IshKebab wrote: post #155

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You still need to ask for consent.

"If the processing is necessary for a contract with the individual, processing is lawful on this basis and you do not need to get separate consent." https://ico.org.uk/for-organisations/guide-to-the-general-da...

There has to be a contract that it is necessary for, which is, itself, consent, and therefore does not—as your quote says—require separate consent.

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Post by veddox »

zerostar07 wrote: post #218
veddox wrote: post #181

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I agree with that analysis. The main reason why Facebook is relevant in Europe is because everybody is still on it - but actual usage is steadily decreasing, especially in the younger generation. Most communications nowadays is done via WhatsApp, but that is trivial to replace. (Telegram is already quite popular, and then there is Signal, Threema, etc.) Of course, it would be a blow for individuals if all their uploa…

> least in Germany Germany is draconian about privacy , but a lot of the rest of the EU is really not. I would even expect a backlash to GDPR from businesses or politicians or people who lose access to audiences.

GDPR is a whole other story. While I applaud the spirit, it is one nightmare of a regulation. (This is speaking from the small non-profit / volunteer organization sector - we neither have the know-how nor the manpower to deal with its requirements.)

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Post by dragonwriter »

jdietrich wrote: post #81
dragonwriter wrote: post #48

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> Requiring consent as a pre-condition of a service is frowned upon under GDPR. No, it's not. Requiring extraneous consent as a precondition of service, that is, requiring consent for some processing as a precondition of provision of a service that does not depend on that processing is an indication that consent is coerced rather than freely given, and hence not effective consent, under the GDPR. But what that means…

Consent must be freely given, granular and revocable. Consent is only one of the six grounds for lawful data processing. Consent is not always necessary, nor is it always sufficient. https://gdpr-info.eu/art-6-gdpr/

> Consent must be freely given, granular and revocable

“Granular” appears nowhere in the article you cite nor the related recitals (and even if the exact phrase did, the specific degree of granularity required would still be an open question.)

> Consent is only one of the six grounds for lawful data processing.

I’d argue it's two of the six, as voluntary entry into a contract which requires certain processing is a form of consent, even if the word doesn't “consent” isn't used in that provision.

But in any case, it's the one that's going to be most important to a wide range of consumer online services.

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Post by marklgr »

sparkling wrote: post #137
gambiting wrote: post #93

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>>Im pretty sure the fall of the EU has little to do with Facebook Wait, what? EU is doing better than ever and it looks like after Brexit we will enjoy greater integration, and hopefully a full financial and political union in the future. If this is what a "fall" looks like to you, then I don't really know what to say to you - but from the rest of your sentence it seems like you don't like EU as an institution, so I…

So you are saying the EU is doing "better than ever" but yet, in every recent national election in the EU we have seen massive wins for anti-EU parties and movements? Just to name a few: Czech Republic, Italy, Poland, Hungary, France. Add to that a failing currency, massive debt in the southern EU member states, the next banking crisis ready to come. Do you believe that it is a sustainable model to have Germany guara…

Far right is having a strong time in many parts of the world, partly due to the rejection by electors of "establishment", but also because some politicians are quick to kindle nationalism and xenophobia to get cheap votes from angry people. Not sure what it has to do with the collapse of the USSR.

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Post by LarryL »

philliphaydon wrote: post #212
gerhams wrote: post #156

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You sound like you don't own a passport and just repeat fearmongering you hear on the news Please get a passport, visit Europe, and then have an informed opinion. I can't speak personally for the eastern or southern states but here in central europe things are quite peachy. The central/west/northern parts of Europe are the most stable in the world, I doubt that will change soon, regardless of what happens elsewhere.…

So you like your free travel and ability to work anywhere in the EU??? But beyond that what does the EU offer other than a lot of regulations that seem to be hurting a lot of smaller countries?

> what does the EU offer other than a lot of regulations

The fact that there have no longer been wars between the participants?

After thousands of years of endless strife, wars & massacres.

Ask people from my great-parents generation (who lived throught WW2) if this is not a HUGE benefit...

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Post by _khau »

sparkling wrote: post #203
ionised wrote: post #197

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I'm struggling to see what massive wins you are referring to here. The only 'win' I can think of of the top of my head was the UK referendum, which was 52/48 in favour of leaving. Polls taken now suggest that people are now mostly against leaving but the referendum result still stands.

Are you just going to ignore all the countries i listed? Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic all have goverments in place that reject giving more power to the EU and refuse to take in refugees. In France, Marie Le Pen did not win a majority but had big gains. And Macron, well, he seems to like the EU as long as someone else (Germany) picks up the bill. Italy: same as France.

That's four countries out of 28, and the Polish government is losing popularity (my girlfriend is Polish, I visit Poland often) due to its ultra-conservative Catholic views.

Poland was one of the most pro-EU countries in the union, and it will be again. It has seen the benefits firsthand, regardless of a vocal minority of xenophobes.

Le Pen had big gains yes, and still lost because the country decided to vote tactically, together to stop a fascist getting any power. She lost.

Hungary I'll give you, because it has been hardcore right-wing for a long while and massively corrupt.

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