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> "destroying our democracy and societies" Imagine how you have to talk to a doomsayer like that knowing no matter what you say, there will be no chance to get through to him.
Depends, he's not wrong if facebook is used as a propaganda device
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What you are doing in this thread is the definition of spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt around the institution called "EU". I'm personally not against you doing just that. I'm just against you trying to call it something else. Boiling down what you have actually said in this thread I'm left with "but the EU spends money on things that _I_ wouldn't have". Is that the gist of what you are trying to convey here? Or…
Voicing a opinion is not spread fear. Jesus, sometimes HN is worse than 1984.
- opinions are never the equivalent of spreading FUD
- classifying an opinion as FUD is a slippery slope that will lead to an Orwellian dystropy
Here's an opinion:
- Linux is a terrible operating system, because it is open-source. Open-source software does not allow you to capitalize on the work you put down. Anarchy will arise when all software is open-source.
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Also, they all speak the same language. That's huge.
Pretty much everyone in Europe that operates in any kind of a pan-European business space speaks English. Kind of ironic these days really ...
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You sound like you don't own a passport and just repeat fearmongering you hear on the news Please get a passport, visit Europe, and then have an informed opinion. I can't speak personally for the eastern or southern states but here in central europe things are quite peachy. The central/west/northern parts of Europe are the most stable in the world, I doubt that will change soon, regardless of what happens elsewhere.…
So you like your free travel and ability to work anywhere in the EU??? But beyond that what does the EU offer other than a lot of regulations that seem to be hurting a lot of smaller countries?
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"Destroying democracies"? Oh please. Im pretty sure the fall of the EU has little to do with Facebook. Maybe these EU officials should look at their own parlament for blame for once. Perhaps stop robbing your people by artificially devaluing your currency, stop the influx of illegal refugees into the welfare states, stop passing silly laws regulating the form of cucumbers etc. - i could go on and on.
>>Im pretty sure the fall of the EU has little to do with Facebook Wait, what? EU is doing better than ever and it looks like after Brexit we will enjoy greater integration, and hopefully a full financial and political union in the future. If this is what a "fall" looks like to you, then I don't really know what to say to you - but from the rest of your sentence it seems like you don't like EU as an institution, so I…
The EU has massive structural problems - sure most of them are not a direct fault of the EU but it certainly weakens the union.
Just look at youth unemployment in Spain for example. There is an entire generation growing up out of work and not building any skills. They can't compete in a global market.
What happens when Spain falls on actual hard times?
Or for example a small number of refugees have caused a huge shift right in politics and a lot of friction between member states. What will happen when there is a serious refugee crisis?
If worst comes to worst and EU tries to break up Facebook — and it seems likely they might — what would be Facebook’s best path forward? Theoretically, would it send a stronger signal to US regulators if Facebook simply shut down all operation in the EU? A pop up message to all EU citizens along the lines of “You may no longer access Facebook from within the EU due to X Y and Z from your government. As such, all of y…
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I'm struggling to see what massive wins you are referring to here. The only 'win' I can think of of the top of my head was the UK referendum, which was 52/48 in favour of leaving. Polls taken now suggest that people are now mostly against leaving but the referendum result still stands.
Hungary elected Viktor Orbán, a notoriously anti-EU, anti-immigrants hatemonger.
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Depends, he's not wrong if facebook is used as a propaganda device
At some point that seems to blur into blaming the printing press for propaganda posters.
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I thought we are on hackernews here, and not some bullshit propaganda spreading site. Can you provide a documented example of devaluing your currency? Can you provide the number of illegal refugees that came to welfare states (can you name those welfare states?), regulating the form of cucumbers? Who are you, Nigel Farage? https://blogs.ec.europa.eu/ECintheUK/straight-cucumbers/
> Can you provide a documented example of devaluing your currency 1. The european central bank (ECB) is buying goverment bonds from EU member states to keep them alive. 2. Since 2010 the ECB is printing more currency than ever, effectively devaluating the currency. > regulating the form of cucumbers? Here you go: http://eur-lex.europa.eu/legal-content/EN/TXT/?uri=CELEX:319... Do your research before accusing me.
It defines a standard for the quality classification of cucumbers. It doesn't require cucumbers to be straight, it just requires them to meet certain criteria to be declared a certain class of cucumber. It didn't prevent anyone from selling bent cucumbers as long as they were classified accordingly.
In fact, what I just said is exactly what the blog post linked in the comment you're responding to is said and which you're completely ignoring.
The EU didn't pass a law requiring cucumbers to be straight. The EU passed a standard for classifying cucumbers. Exactly the kind of standard that would have been passed by each country individually if the EU didn't exist (as evidenced by non-EU countries having such standards).