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Can Things Be Both Popular and Silenced?

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Re: Can Things Be Both Popular and Silenced?

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The reason you're passive aggressive isn't clear to me. I used the "alt" prefix to reinforce the irony of the name "alternative" right being the mainstream right movement. Is this why you're angry?

>The reason you're passive aggressive isn't clear to me.

The alt-right is a white nationalist/Nazi movement. You flippantly labeled half the country as Nazis, and you're surprised someone would call this out?

>I used the "alt" prefix to reinforce the irony of the name "alternative" right being the mainstream right movement.

Doubling down eh?

Re: Can Things Be Both Popular and Silenced?

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> the people at Vox (highly-polished, Ivy-League-educated mutants grown in vats by a DARPA project to engineer the perfect thinkpiece writer)

He left out "neoliberal corporate sponsored" but that really hits the nail on the head.

Re: Can Things Be Both Popular and Silenced?

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> These donations can add up. Mr. Rubin said his show makes at least $30,000 a month on Patreon. And Mr. Peterson says he pulls in some $80,000 in fan donations each month.

It won't be long until the censors find out and start demanding Patreon to no-platform them.

Re: Can Things Be Both Popular and Silenced?

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I mean, I do feel like my ideas/community are the underdog and I'm not even all that rightwing (I'm pro stuff like basic income, but also against minimum wage).

The thing about underdog is this.

Our culture as produced in books/film/tv/music is dominated by left leaning beliefs.

If your conservate the media that naturally surrounds you does not reflect or celebrate your values.

Though I'm not saying they don't exist.

If you look at a demographic map of blue vs red, you will notice that blue = cities, red = rural. Even many blue states are only blue becuase of their cities.

This can create a feeling of "underdog" in both directions. Blue may feel like islands in a sea of red, red may see as wealth and power bring concentrated in blue lands.

The academic establishment is left leaning. That is a big one you leave out.

Finally regarding the lack of prominent left wing internet communities, this.

I live in the bay. If I want to have a honest discussion about say, basic income I can just step outside.

The same is not true of say, opposition to minimum wage. That will only get vitriol thrown at me and damage my personal reputation.

The left has few prominent internet communities because they don't need them. The right leaning people do, they are either very spread out in real life, or exist in communities that don't agree with them.

The same is true online. I don't need a left wing forum to discuss left wing ideas because every internet community I'm part of is predominantly left wing.

Basically if there is an internet community that's not expressily rightwing, it's community will be leftwing, so leftwing people don't need a space for themselves.

The lack of a prominent left wing forum is simply because the left is so dominant they don't need it.

Finally I we would note that "elite need the common man" is an accusation leveled at both parties.

For example my mother who is really right wing that most politicians who are pro immigration aren't interested in the welfare of immigrants, but just want more people to vote for them.

This lack of sincerity the motives both sides perscribe to each.

Re: Can Things Be Both Popular and Silenced?

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> I find it interesting that the ("alt")right-wingers that elected a president and rule the internet media and half of TV (have you head of a popular left-wing forum? I sure haven't) are still pretending to be underdogs.

Trump constantly gets negative press coverage. If his views were actually popular with the internet media and tv media this wouldn't be the case. The media is overwhelmingly against him.

And as for popular left-wing forums /r/politics currently has ~20,000 viewers. At 7am. I'd call that popular.

Re: Can Things Be Both Popular and Silenced?

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> the people at Vox (highly-polished, Ivy-League-educated mutants grown in vats by a DARPA project to engineer the perfect thinkpiece writer) He left out "neoliberal corporate sponsored" but that really hits the nail on the head.

Either I'm unsure what you're trying to say, or I believe you misunderstood what he was saying.

Re: Can Things Be Both Popular and Silenced?

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> These donations can add up. Mr. Rubin said his show makes at least $30,000 a month on Patreon. And Mr. Peterson says he pulls in some $80,000 in fan donations each month. It won't be long until the censors find out and start demanding Patreon to no-platform them.

They already did.

https://www.change.org/p/ask-patreon-to-pull-the-plug-on-pet...

Didn't go very far.

I dimly remember a direct attempt to get Patreon to pull the plug, but that could have been somebody else.

Re: Can Things Be Both Popular and Silenced?

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I mean, I do feel like my ideas/community are the underdog and I'm not even all that rightwing (I'm pro stuff like basic income, but also against minimum wage). The thing about underdog is this. Our culture as produced in books/film/tv/music is dominated by left leaning beliefs. If your conservate the media that naturally surrounds you does not reflect or celebrate your values. Though I'm not saying they don't exist.…

"Basically if there is an internet community that's not expressily rightwing, it's community will be leftwing, so leftwing people don't need a space for themselves"

I'd argue the exact opposite. Most of the big internet forums, reddit, 4chan, gaming forums are all right leaning to greater or lesser degrees, and most of the smaller forums I've come across in many many years of wasted time on the internet follow this pattern. The lack of a left wing forum is perhaps more due to the demographics of internet forums in general and the fact that forums as a medium are inherently a little abrasive and open to trolling.

Re: Can Things Be Both Popular and Silenced?

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>But shutting up is of course is the exact opposite of what the people involved are doing – as the Times points out, several IDW members have audiences in the millions, monthly Patreon revenue in the five to six figures, and (with a big enough security detail) regular college speaking engagements.

That's beside the point though, as I don't think the complain/claim is that they are silenced from everywhere and have no audience.

Rather it is that while their opinions are popular, they are still unrepresented and silenced in the mainstream media -- including the Times itself.

Re: Can Things Be Both Popular and Silenced?

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I mean, I do feel like my ideas/community are the underdog and I'm not even all that rightwing (I'm pro stuff like basic income, but also against minimum wage). The thing about underdog is this. Our culture as produced in books/film/tv/music is dominated by left leaning beliefs. If your conservate the media that naturally surrounds you does not reflect or celebrate your values. Though I'm not saying they don't exist.…

> I'm pro stuff like basic income, but also against minimum wage

It seems obvious to me that UBI is a replacement for minimum wage laws.

Context: I'm anti-minimum wage laws, full stop, with or without UBI. I'm also pro-UBI [at around $500-800/mo/adult].

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