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Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by wierd0 »

sparkling wrote: post #179
iknowstuff wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are the reason we need to fight fake news. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/boris-johns...

You realize that this article actually does state: Yes, they ARE regulating power consumption of vacuum cleaners. Apparently you think it is a good idea for some bureaucrats in Brussel to regulate power consumption of vacuums - if you believe that, fine with me, your opinion. But its not "fake news" or FUD. Its real.

What you are doing in this thread is the definition of spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt around the institution called "EU". I'm personally not against you doing just that. I'm just against you trying to call it something else.

Boiling down what you have actually said in this thread I'm left with "but the EU spends money on things that _I_ wouldn't have". Is that the gist of what you are trying to convey here? Or are you opposed to EU as a concept?

So, cucumber regulation seems very silly indeed. Hopefully we have gotten to the stuff that matters now.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by kuschku »

sparkling wrote: post #179
iknowstuff wrote: post #103

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are the reason we need to fight fake news. https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2016/may/11/boris-johns...

You realize that this article actually does state: Yes, they ARE regulating power consumption of vacuum cleaners. Apparently you think it is a good idea for some bureaucrats in Brussel to regulate power consumption of vacuums - if you believe that, fine with me, your opinion. But its not "fake news" or FUD. Its real.

And do you know why that happened? Ever considered the reason?

Just like cameras had a megapixel war, vacuums had a power war. In reading electricity consumption without increasing actual air throughput.

At its height there were 3500W vacuums with less than 10% effectivity. Billions of euros every year were wasted on electricity for this.

Just like the laws encouraging LEDs, the vacuum laws had a major effect, manufacturers could easily switch to brushless motors and did.

I have a vacuum from before and after the regulation here.

2400W vs 900W.

The 900W one creates a stronger vacuum than the 2400W one.

The regulation has not just been necessary, it's also been an amazing success.

Every European saves money on electricity, the environment is damaged less and we have more efficient and powerful vacuums.

And similar with the incandescent light ban. It led manufacturers to new innovation, which in turn meant LEDs quickly became popular and over the years better.

By now 1200lm 8W E27 leds are in every IKEA for 10€.

As a result of these two policies electricity usage could be significantly reduced, helping the environment and your electricity costs.

There's absolutely no way you can declare these policies a failure.

Just like the cucumber regulation, which, after it ended, stores started enforcing on their own, because they need that regulation.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by sparkling »

ionised wrote: post #197
sparkling wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you are saying the EU is doing "better than ever" but yet, in every recent national election in the EU we have seen massive wins for anti-EU parties and movements? Just to name a few: Czech Republic, Italy, Poland, Hungary, France. Add to that a failing currency, massive debt in the southern EU member states, the next banking crisis ready to come. Do you believe that it is a sustainable model to have Germany guara…

I'm struggling to see what massive wins you are referring to here. The only 'win' I can think of of the top of my head was the UK referendum, which was 52/48 in favour of leaving. Polls taken now suggest that people are now mostly against leaving but the referendum result still stands.

Are you just going to ignore all the countries i listed?

Poland, Hungary, Czech Republic all have goverments in place that reject giving more power to the EU and refuse to take in refugees.

In France, Marie Le Pen did not win a majority but had big gains. And Macron, well, he seems to like the EU as long as someone else (Germany) picks up the bill.

Italy: same as France.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by bertil »

stfwn wrote: post #58
Y_Y wrote: post #9

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At least the format and the fact that a lot of the time was taken up asking long-winded questions was the fault of the European Parliament and not Zuck personally. Of course the idea that you can just drag the CEO up to account for whatever grievances you have against the company and hope to get anything out of it seems a bit misguided to me. Looks like more of a PR exercise.

And a bad one at that. The first question I heard when I put on the livestream was something along the lines of: "answer yes or no to the following questions! (...) Will Facebook delete all fake accounts before $date and prevent all new ones from being created?", with the MEP putting on a stern look. Zuckerberg is smart enough to show up and pretend to get a verbal beating, but I wish he would just point out to the g…

I, for one, am very eager to see what is the official definition of a fake account. Sorry: the European Parliament guided, State Parliament confirmed definition.

Question one: Do either body claim to have jurisdiction over accounts who claim to be from, live in or are friends with European citizen, residents?

Question two: how many pieces of official document will need to be provided before registering, and does a temporary driving license, a refugee certificate, an official copy of your live birth certificate count (all are without photos)?

Question three: is Facebook mandated to confirm that the same piece of information, or the same name, is not used for several accounts; what are the tolerance level for optical matching and recognition?

Question four: is a user choses to change gender…

I’ve got dozens like that.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by sparkling »

kuschku wrote: post #202
sparkling wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realize that this article actually does state: Yes, they ARE regulating power consumption of vacuum cleaners. Apparently you think it is a good idea for some bureaucrats in Brussel to regulate power consumption of vacuums - if you believe that, fine with me, your opinion. But its not "fake news" or FUD. Its real.

And do you know why that happened? Ever considered the reason? Just like cameras had a megapixel war, vacuums had a power war. In reading electricity consumption without increasing actual air throughput. At its height there were 3500W vacuums with less than 10% effectivity. Billions of euros every year were wasted on electricity for this. Just like the laws encouraging LEDs, the vacuum laws had a major effect, manufa…

Its funny that you mention the light bulbs. Actually, the EU did NOT encourage LED light bulbs for the longest time.

You may recall that they banned some conventional wolfram based light bulbs and instead tried to force compact fluorescent lamps (CFL) to the consumer, not LEDs. This has actually lead to a huge recycling problem. The CFLs contain mercury, the plastic parts are hard to recycle and the glass can not be recycled because it is contaminated.

Its not EU regulation that made the LEDs popular, it was consumer demand.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by KozmoNau7 »

ionised wrote: post #197
sparkling wrote: post #137

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So you are saying the EU is doing "better than ever" but yet, in every recent national election in the EU we have seen massive wins for anti-EU parties and movements? Just to name a few: Czech Republic, Italy, Poland, Hungary, France. Add to that a failing currency, massive debt in the southern EU member states, the next banking crisis ready to come. Do you believe that it is a sustainable model to have Germany guara…

I'm struggling to see what massive wins you are referring to here. The only 'win' I can think of of the top of my head was the UK referendum, which was 52/48 in favour of leaving. Polls taken now suggest that people are now mostly against leaving but the referendum result still stands.

Hungary elected Viktor Orbán, a notoriously anti-EU, anti-immigrants hatemonger.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by sparkling »

sgift wrote: post #194
sparkling wrote: post #185

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You realize that massive refugee influx directly affects topics such as housing, equality, welfare - right?

Only in the dreams of some people where all of these were not massive problems before. Sure, more people may make some very small dent on these issues, but nothing remotely relevant. Despite all the fear-mongering there has not been a "massive" refugee influx, but a very, very small one. This is an age-old strategy of "make sure those who have less fight each other for scraps instead of asking the rich to pay their f…

First: I appreciate you actually making a point, instead of just down voting other opinions.

They were massive problems before, i agree, but adding more than 1 million refugees over the course of 2 years (in the case of Germany) adds a very real problem to the housing market and we should be honest about that. You can not blame so called right wing populists for hoping on this issue if other parties fail to even talk about it.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by ManlyBread »

sparkling wrote: post #137
gambiting wrote: post #93

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>>Im pretty sure the fall of the EU has little to do with Facebook Wait, what? EU is doing better than ever and it looks like after Brexit we will enjoy greater integration, and hopefully a full financial and political union in the future. If this is what a "fall" looks like to you, then I don't really know what to say to you - but from the rest of your sentence it seems like you don't like EU as an institution, so I…

So you are saying the EU is doing "better than ever" but yet, in every recent national election in the EU we have seen massive wins for anti-EU parties and movements? Just to name a few: Czech Republic, Italy, Poland, Hungary, France. Add to that a failing currency, massive debt in the southern EU member states, the next banking crisis ready to come. Do you believe that it is a sustainable model to have Germany guara…

Poland is not anti-EU, it just opposes the migrant quotas due to variety of reasons. The society also has a generally negative view on multiculturalism and forcing the refugees to live where they will feel unwelcome and oppressed doesn't seem like the best idea.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by sparkling »

wierd0 wrote: post #201
sparkling wrote: post #179

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You realize that this article actually does state: Yes, they ARE regulating power consumption of vacuum cleaners. Apparently you think it is a good idea for some bureaucrats in Brussel to regulate power consumption of vacuums - if you believe that, fine with me, your opinion. But its not "fake news" or FUD. Its real.

What you are doing in this thread is the definition of spreading fear, uncertainty and doubt around the institution called "EU". I'm personally not against you doing just that. I'm just against you trying to call it something else. Boiling down what you have actually said in this thread I'm left with "but the EU spends money on things that _I_ wouldn't have". Is that the gist of what you are trying to convey here? Or…

Voicing a opinion is not spread fear. Jesus, sometimes HN is worse than 1984.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Post by zerostar07 »

ColonelPhantom wrote: post #107
woolvalley wrote: post #49

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I think quora and co is more about having an account and not about any sort of data consent per say.

Making an account is generally seen as a form of giving consent, especially as you need to agree to the terms and conditions when doing so.

you can make an account and still not consent, e.g. to be tracked because they can't prove that 'being tracked is necessary for reading quora'. the two are orthogonal
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