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Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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post #94

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It's both. Verhofstadt is a full-blown European federalist (people who want Europe to be united under a single government and single flag). The fortunes of that dream have not been good lately, and he's looking for people to blame that aren't people like himself. I find it pathetic. Verhofstadt and people like him are one of the things that turned me off the EU and turned me into a Brexit voter. They routinely descri…

As we have seen asking the general public about an important topic leads to a situation like Brexit. Just because ppl have an opinion about what the priorities should be does not mean they have the slightest understanding about what the is happening in the world. The MPs are the ppl claiming to know best so you should trust them that they are doing everything in your interest and if they are not then it is your right…

The UK does in fact have regular swings of devolution of power to regions and cities. See: the Scotland referendum, which resulted in more powers being given to the regional assembly despite the independence campaign losing. The flow of power over time has been slowly away from central government, or at least, people have been offered that choice.

The MPs are the ppl claiming to know best so you should trust them

Hmmm. But I also claim I know best. Now who do you pick?

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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And it didn't seem as he wanted to make any friends either. I'm pretty sure the EC is already drafting regulation or actions against facebook based on this hearing... but i m not sure what facebook plans to do. Perhaps they 'll spin off a separate EU facebook? Go back to US and wall off EU? The EU parliament seems to think that facebook's users are their users but Zucc has not said a word about this.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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What struck me as quite interesting was Guy Verhofstadts sideremarks. >"You have to ask yourself how you will be remembered," he said. "As one of the three big internet giants together with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, who have enriched our world and our societies, or on the other hand, the genius that created a digital monster that is destroying our democracies and societies." I imagine you have to talk like this to a…

Zuck probably thinks that he'll have time to redeem himself...ala Gates. But "If I stop now, FB crashes and I can't do as much good"

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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post #91

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I think that was a reference to the US election interference, not the EU.

It's both. Verhofstadt is a full-blown European federalist (people who want Europe to be united under a single government and single flag). The fortunes of that dream have not been good lately, and he's looking for people to blame that aren't people like himself. I find it pathetic. Verhofstadt and people like him are one of the things that turned me off the EU and turned me into a Brexit voter. They routinely descri…

> (hint: immigration, terrorism)

Dear God, no. Those are primarily external problems, we should (and are, thankfully) focused on fixing internal problems and making ourselves better.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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post #114

If worst comes to worst and EU tries to break up Facebook — and it seems likely they might — what would be Facebook’s best path forward? Theoretically, would it send a stronger signal to US regulators if Facebook simply shut down all operation in the EU? A pop up message to all EU citizens along the lines of “You may no longer access Facebook from within the EU due to X Y and Z from your government. As such, all of y…

> "As such, all of your data is unavailable for download and no longer subject to GDPR privacy regulations" IANAL, but wouldn't this itself violate the GDPR?

Also not a lawyer (but skipping initialism of that), but I believe the GDPR covers any business servicing the region (EU), and this scenario indicates Facebook stop servicing EU.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Presumably Zuckerberg has learned the lesson of Bill Gates: Europe periodically discovers a reason to fine American tech companies large-but-relatively-immaterial amounts of money. Then you eventually graduate to being Old Money, and Europe reminisces fondly about you.

By large-but-immaterial, do you mean the money escaped via tax fraud and illegal tax cuts?

'fraud' and 'illegal' might be problematic words here. The tax evasion schemes used by large corporations are often considered exploits of loopholes - i.e. technically legal. Countries try to offer companies a system to provide ridiculously low tax rates for larger regions, because if they get 1% of the revenue of the entire region it's more beneficial to them than getting 20% of their local revenue (numbers are fictional here). That's partly also a reason why e.g. Ireland is fighting on Apple's side on the $13bn ruling, despite them loosing out on $13bn. They'd loose the ability to guarantee companies a low tax rate, which is worth far more.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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"Destroying democracies"? Oh please. Im pretty sure the fall of the EU has little to do with Facebook. Maybe these EU officials should look at their own parlament for blame for once. Perhaps stop robbing your people by artificially devaluing your currency, stop the influx of illegal refugees into the welfare states, stop passing silly laws regulating the form of cucumbers etc. - i could go on and on.

>>Im pretty sure the fall of the EU has little to do with Facebook Wait, what? EU is doing better than ever and it looks like after Brexit we will enjoy greater integration, and hopefully a full financial and political union in the future. If this is what a "fall" looks like to you, then I don't really know what to say to you - but from the rest of your sentence it seems like you don't like EU as an institution, so I…

So you are saying the EU is doing "better than ever" but yet, in every recent national election in the EU we have seen massive wins for anti-EU parties and movements? Just to name a few: Czech Republic, Italy, Poland, Hungary, France.

Add to that a failing currency, massive debt in the southern EU member states, the next banking crisis ready to come. Do you believe that it is a sustainable model to have Germany guarantee southern national debts forever?

Yes, this is what a fall looks like to me. It's like to collapse of the USSR in slowmotion.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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What struck me as quite interesting was Guy Verhofstadts sideremarks. >"You have to ask yourself how you will be remembered," he said. "As one of the three big internet giants together with Steve Jobs and Bill Gates, who have enriched our world and our societies, or on the other hand, the genius that created a digital monster that is destroying our democracies and societies." I imagine you have to talk like this to a…

Presumably Zuckerberg has learned the lesson of Bill Gates: Europe periodically discovers a reason to fine American tech companies large-but-relatively-immaterial amounts of money. Then you eventually graduate to being Old Money, and Europe reminisces fondly about you.

you mean that we treat people like human beings with their own rights, and not some spreadsheet item of potential revenue that have these dumb but exploitable thing called emotions and desires?

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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If worst comes to worst and EU tries to break up Facebook — and it seems likely they might — what would be Facebook’s best path forward? Theoretically, would it send a stronger signal to US regulators if Facebook simply shut down all operation in the EU? A pop up message to all EU citizens along the lines of “You may no longer access Facebook from within the EU due to X Y and Z from your government. As such, all of y…

Shut down the EU company entities, move all operations back to the US. There is no need to show a warning message to its users, EU laws do not apply to US firms. Also, despite what EU lawmakers may say, a purely US-based internet company is not required to comply in any way with EU laws even if they have customers/visitors/users in the EU.

They do have to comply with EU laws if the EU says so. If nothing else, none of their management will be able to visit the EU anymore without risk of being prosecuted.

Re: Zuckerberg didn’t make any friends in Europe today

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

>>Im pretty sure the fall of the EU has little to do with Facebook Wait, what? EU is doing better than ever and it looks like after Brexit we will enjoy greater integration, and hopefully a full financial and political union in the future. If this is what a "fall" looks like to you, then I don't really know what to say to you - but from the rest of your sentence it seems like you don't like EU as an institution, so I…

Maybe the EU is doing better than ever on some metrics, but I find it quite scary how over the last 20 years, Europe has completely missed the train on technology. We are now in a vassal position where we have to beg foreign CEOs to have some sort of view / control over the technology that runs our society. And it's not getting any better. GDPR is too little too late, and may even be counterproductive[1]. It would ha…

But there's no way to way to fight back for Europe unless EU countries get even more homogeneous laws concerning running a multi-national (basically any online) business.

It's easy in the US because they have a large, wealthy and boundary free market with almost no access cost beyond marketing.

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